solent clown
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It certainly didn't offend me, I found it quite interesting and I don't even like fish
Dont like fish, what's wrong with you man!
fishing off a yacht
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Dont like fish, what's wrong with you man!
typhoonNige
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A paravane at 4 knots will pull about 5lb tension on your line. I use a 20-30lb class rod and have no problems, lots of fish and don't have to stop sailing to catch or land mackerel. A trace of 4-6 white mackerel feathers with a 4" sandeel lure 6' behind often produces pollack and an occasional nice bass.
solent clown
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fortunately tube work is a large part of my day job, so I will have a dive into the scrap bin. :encouragement:
solent clown
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Sea bass, Karen's favourite.
sailaboutvic
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I can't fish to save my life but the other year sailing back around the Peloponnese I caught five Yes five tunas , my explanation for this is , we must had sailed tho a few thousands to catch five .
John the kiwi
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Fishing and sailing! Awkward combo. I count myself sailor but son no 2 and BIL are fishermen.
Following discussions on this forum i bought some paravanes and we use them for fishing for Kahawai while under sail.
NZ Kahawai seem similar to Mackerel in many respects.
Have had some real successes.
On one occasion my BIL was crewing for me on a race where we had a 12 mile spinnaker run and we were averaging 7 knots hitting 9 knots.
He asked if he could tow a paravane and i told him "yes, but we aren't stopping!" Sure enough he hooked a good-un! We were neck and neck in the race so no way i was coming about, so he manfully wound it in. The rod was bent double, but he got the fish and we won the race! I was surprised that a fish had taken a lure that was moving so fast.
We have also done a lot of rod fishing for other species when anchored or drifting in recognised fishing spots.
(That is the key point: As far as i can see, success is as much about knowing where and when to fish as how to fish.)
My experience is that fishing and sailing are largely incompatible, and if you have people that want to go fishing then you should pretend to be just a motor boat. As noted above, fishing is a messy business if you are successful, so being prepared with fish bins and bait boards and wash down systems etc is a good idea. Wash-down in a self draining cockpit can be just a bucket and scrubbing brushes though a pump and hose obviously better. Blood, gore and scales are easier to shift before they dry out.
Cheers
John
Following discussions on this forum i bought some paravanes and we use them for fishing for Kahawai while under sail.
NZ Kahawai seem similar to Mackerel in many respects.
Have had some real successes.
On one occasion my BIL was crewing for me on a race where we had a 12 mile spinnaker run and we were averaging 7 knots hitting 9 knots.
He asked if he could tow a paravane and i told him "yes, but we aren't stopping!" Sure enough he hooked a good-un! We were neck and neck in the race so no way i was coming about, so he manfully wound it in. The rod was bent double, but he got the fish and we won the race! I was surprised that a fish had taken a lure that was moving so fast.
We have also done a lot of rod fishing for other species when anchored or drifting in recognised fishing spots.
(That is the key point: As far as i can see, success is as much about knowing where and when to fish as how to fish.)
My experience is that fishing and sailing are largely incompatible, and if you have people that want to go fishing then you should pretend to be just a motor boat. As noted above, fishing is a messy business if you are successful, so being prepared with fish bins and bait boards and wash down systems etc is a good idea. Wash-down in a self draining cockpit can be just a bucket and scrubbing brushes though a pump and hose obviously better. Blood, gore and scales are easier to shift before they dry out.
Cheers
John
John the kiwi
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I have to say i disagree.
Trying to catch fish while sailing presents some very practical issues of equipment and techniques..
JimC
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Dont like fish, what's wrong with you man!
Would love to be able to eat it but just can't get it down and if I do I'm sick :disgust:
elton
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Yes. Just drift, or anchor. You've got to be using nets to make a catch when moving.
solent clown
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Lon nan Gruagach
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Way to go, 7 posts and this has turned into an anchor thread.
Lon nan Gruagach
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If You can sail one handed or no handed then go for it. If not then fishing plus rigging = not much fun.
I use large weight to sink the tackle when moving and a rod just long enough for all the lures (loaded with fish) to be easily lifted over the gunwales.
The biggest problem with fishing by sail is stopping right on the shoal. Oars or outboard is much easier.
I just launched my new dinghy, it's going to have balanced gaff or junk rig since both stop and Stow out of the way quickly.
I use large weight to sink the tackle when moving and a rod just long enough for all the lures (loaded with fish) to be easily lifted over the gunwales.
The biggest problem with fishing by sail is stopping right on the shoal. Oars or outboard is much easier.
I just launched my new dinghy, it's going to have balanced gaff or junk rig since both stop and Stow out of the way quickly.
shan
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We have one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/FLADEN-Tro...=UTF8&qid=1529232376&sr=8-3&keywords=paravane
It works a treat. Caught loads of mackerel on it. Also caught gurnard (always on a failed tack - I think the line ends up bouncing on the sea floor), sea bass, whiting, pollack, garfish and cod. Normally going at 4 to 6 knots. I find the white Shakespeare Sea Fishing Mackerel Rig works the best. I also put a spinner on the end of the rig.
I use one of these and tie the line off on one of the cleats when I've let out enough for trolling:
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shan
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Break their necks, rip their gills and bleed out immediately. Quickest way and keeps them fresher.
solent clown
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Shan, what is that round plastic thing?
shan
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It's a hand reel. Line goes round the centre. It's much easier to let out line or pull it back in than using the usual awkward hand reels.
typhoonNige
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Bleeding greatly improves the flesh of all tuna. Think pork vs wild boar or veal vs beef.
Yep mackerel are a tuna. Breaking the neck of a skipjack or any larger fish is a tough call so subdue with alcohol on the gills then bleed by cutting gills. Messy but worth it and a humane dispatch technique
solent clown
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wow, I have learned so much aready in this one thread. thanks peeps
Hydrozoan
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Though I referred to a priest, I think that was the (wooden) kayak paddle handle on which I bopped them. I was not that skilled a kayaker to want to spend any more time on it but yes, gut and clean - and preferably cook and eat - on the beach.
KAL
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We sometimes troll with a paravane while sailing and often catch nothing but weed, but we have caught mackerel and pollack using this method. The way I see it, it does no harm to have the line in the water as you’re sailing, anyway. You might be lucky.
Long-lining with a hand reel has also worked. Lots of hooks on a long line that trails behind the boat as you go.
We sometimes stop and use feather lures and a weight, jigging for mackerel. As a previous poster has said, it helps if there are birds feeding. However, a couple of weeks ago we had a couple of mackerel and a pilchard in the dead flat calm when nothing seemed to be about.
I keep a couple of short but stout boat rods on board and fish off the stern, or off the side decks if stopped. There’s a net on a pole in the cockpit locker and also a bucket within which the fish can be despatched without mess, with a priest.
Long-lining with a hand reel has also worked. Lots of hooks on a long line that trails behind the boat as you go.
We sometimes stop and use feather lures and a weight, jigging for mackerel. As a previous poster has said, it helps if there are birds feeding. However, a couple of weeks ago we had a couple of mackerel and a pilchard in the dead flat calm when nothing seemed to be about.
I keep a couple of short but stout boat rods on board and fish off the stern, or off the side decks if stopped. There’s a net on a pole in the cockpit locker and also a bucket within which the fish can be despatched without mess, with a priest.
