alant
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And?
First timer - heavy displacement boat
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And?
Matelot Joe
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Tranona
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Can you explain what that means?
Does it mean there are lots of them being built - No
Does it mean there are loads for sale because nobody wants them? - maybe
Reality is that the number is finite because virtually no new ones are being added, and a few are falling off the other end. So inevitably they will become a declining proportion of the total poulation of cruising boats.
As I said earlier, folks who prefer this kind of boat are in the pound seats at the moment as prices have fallen - but of course as the supply is static, they may go the other way. So enjoy it while you can - while the boats are still in usable condition and affordable.
Twister_Ken
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Really don't understand this remark. Any sensible boat will sail in almost any wind strength, whatever shape its keel. The limit is usually the owners knowledge, enthusiasm and ability; and the size and set of the sails, and not the boat itself.
Kilter
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snowleopard
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It is possible for a skilled person to ride a unicycle. That doesn't make it the ideal vehicle for a beginner to buy when he takes up cycling.
doug748
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Yes, BAtoo gave a good response in post 8.
With "minimal sailing experience" any 36 foot boat is quite a proposition.
Twister_Ken
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Matelot Joe
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Sorry Tranona for not making my self clear, I was referring to the plethora of plastic fantastic, with the go faster strip of course! You know what I mean, the French stuff et al.
Bosun Higgs
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Kasabian
This week I was heading into Falmouth for water and fuel when what did I see ahead of me but a Tradewind. So I can answer your question about speed.
We had 8 knots true wind and we were on a close reach. I was sinlge handing and not passage making so all I had up on my Starlight was the 135% genoa. No main. He had up all white sails. Within well less than 2 miles I overtook him going from being maybe 200 yards behind to 50 yards ahead before furling sail at Falmouth entrance. When I passed him I estimate I would have been doing between 1 and 2 knots more speed.
OK it was very light winds but then the Starlight is short on sail area and doesnt do well in light winds as both magazine tests and my club racing have shown. A First 31.7 would have sailed past both of us as the blighter does ion the club races.
I suppose the Tradewind could have been dragging a bucket but I didnt see it. TBH, its a long time since I have passed something so easily. You might well say that its a heavy weather boat and that you arent interested in speed, but I would liken it to the sailing equivalent of a Land Rover and you know how annoyingly slow one of those things is in general use.
You dont have to go that slow to be safe.
This week I was heading into Falmouth for water and fuel when what did I see ahead of me but a Tradewind. So I can answer your question about speed.
We had 8 knots true wind and we were on a close reach. I was sinlge handing and not passage making so all I had up on my Starlight was the 135% genoa. No main. He had up all white sails. Within well less than 2 miles I overtook him going from being maybe 200 yards behind to 50 yards ahead before furling sail at Falmouth entrance. When I passed him I estimate I would have been doing between 1 and 2 knots more speed.
OK it was very light winds but then the Starlight is short on sail area and doesnt do well in light winds as both magazine tests and my club racing have shown. A First 31.7 would have sailed past both of us as the blighter does ion the club races.
I suppose the Tradewind could have been dragging a bucket but I didnt see it. TBH, its a long time since I have passed something so easily. You might well say that its a heavy weather boat and that you arent interested in speed, but I would liken it to the sailing equivalent of a Land Rover and you know how annoyingly slow one of those things is in general use.
You dont have to go that slow to be safe.
Fr J Hackett
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Hmmm similar conditions several weeks ago, 8 to 10 knt true wind speed shy of a close reach Vancouver 34 (main, yankee & staysail) out pacing Bavaria 31 (main & genoa) Different horses different courses.
Several months earlier on a 70 odd mile run to Ostend true wind speed 26 ish broad reaching made Ostend in less than 12Hrs but no AWBs about to compare relative speed with unfortunately shame Cooked bracon and Egg butties for breakfast and hot dogs for lunch all done underway without fuss in a stable galley, as said horses for courses
Several months earlier on a 70 odd mile run to Ostend true wind speed 26 ish broad reaching made Ostend in less than 12Hrs but no AWBs about to compare relative speed with unfortunately shame
Cooked bracon and Egg butties for breakfast and hot dogs for lunch all done underway without fuss in a stable galley, as said horses for courses
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Bosun Higgs
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Yes but only up to a point. Few people would argue that the Contessa 32 was a bad heavy weather boat but using my own boat as the constant in the equation., I have no doubt that the Contessa would storm past the Tradewind. I suspect a Twister would too. Cant comment on your boat since I've never sailed alongside one.
I dont see my own boat as being at all quick - it certainly doesnt appear so around the cans. So to sail past with just a genny up in light winds was really surprising and very much a reflection on the performance of the Tradewind. He didnt have his inner foresail up by the way - just the genny and main.
Kilter
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When I had my TW down in Essex we used to have weekend races; not very formal, just friends having fun. I will allow that the C32 used to win most times but she only just beat us. Also did not do too badly in St Martin Hieniken regatta and had a win in the Horta sea week races so TWs can move if you want them to!
E39mad
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Kasabian
This week I was heading into Falmouth for water and fuel when what did I see ahead of me but a Tradewind. So I can answer your question about speed.
We had 8 knots true wind and we were on a close reach. I was sinlge handing and not passage making so all I had up on my Starlight was the 135% genoa. No main. He had up all white sails. Within well less than 2 miles I overtook him going from being maybe 200 yards behind to 50 yards ahead before furling sail at Falmouth entrance. When I passed him I estimate I would have been doing between 1 and 2 knots more speed.
OK it was very light winds but then the Starlight is short on sail area and doesnt do well in light winds as both magazine tests and my club racing have shown. A First 31.7 would have sailed past both of us as the blighter does ion the club races.
I suppose the Tradewind could have been dragging a bucket but I didnt see it. TBH, its a long time since I have passed something so easily. You might well say that its a heavy weather boat and that you arent interested in speed, but I would liken it to the sailing equivalent of a Land Rover and you know how annoyingly slow one of those things is in general use.
You dont have to go that slow to be safe.
Not another I was going faster than them threads - I always ask:
1. Is the other boat going slower on purpose - waiting for tide or time to enter a marina
2. How competent is the sailor who owns the boat to set it up properly
3. What are the sails like and are they the correct sails for the conditions - old triple stiched heavy roller genoa is not going to pull you along in light airs
4. Does it have a fixed prop
5. Is the bottom dirty
Correctly set up these boats are not slow!!
Kilter
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hear, hear!
Scotty_Tradewind
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Another drawback for the TW could be with such a large amount of boat beneath the water, that a dirty bottom will probably lose us over a knot and possibly two knots in light airs.
I have certainly found my TW33 (with a clean bottom and rigged as a sloop), that she will be a little faster than my Twister was and quite a lot faster than the Twister in a real blow with a choppy sea reefed and rigged as a cutter........ and we stay dry with a huge amount more comfort and space for only 5% more cost.
Addendum....... a wonderful boat the C32 and I did consider buying one. The extra space in the TW meant that for my needs there was no contest.
I have certainly found my TW33 (with a clean bottom and rigged as a sloop), that she will be a little faster than my Twister was and quite a lot faster than the Twister in a real blow with a choppy sea reefed and rigged as a cutter........ and we stay dry with a huge amount more comfort and space for only 5% more cost.
Addendum....... a wonderful boat the C32 and I did consider buying one. The extra space in the TW meant that for my needs there was no contest.
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Robin
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The art of enjoying a slow boat is never to sail in company with a faster one without a ready excuse.
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