First proper boat

[ChromeDome]

Indeed. Only engine hours burn fuel so all the hours and days in the marina or at anchor are zero.

And of course you noted the 1.1 liter per nm at 6.1 knots? That'l be a little below the hull optimal displacement speed (easy rule of thumb is one knot per metre waterline length). Our boats has this just below 7 knots which we do a lot while checking things, washing floors, making sandwiches, enjoying the views around and chatting.

The A'miral commoly knitting away while being served refreshments by the steward (one of my onboard titles )...

Our twin 175 hp diesels on shafts are approx same comsumption at hull speed, pushing a bit more weight though.

 

[jakew009]

Yes have seen this a few times! Quite thirsty vs diesels, Tbh running costs was one of the key decisions 795 vs 895, the former being half the servicing and fuel burn vs 2x200s, but I’ve figured that the much larger accommodation will be so much better (as we plan to weekend on it very regularly) so I’ll just need to be watchful how much we’re getting through. As I recall others saying, we’ll probably use it moving less than we think so hopefully be OK !

You will likely find that the fuel consumption is somewhat an irrelevance in the overall scheme of things.

The reality is that

a) you won't use it half as much as you think
b) when you do use it, you will spend most of your time stationary or pootling along on fumes
c) on the few times that you do burn a £500 quid over a long weekend, you will consider that it was more than worth it

 

[Martxer]

Yes have seen this a few times! Quite thirsty vs diesels, Tbh running costs was one of the key decisions 795 vs 895, the former being half the servicing and fuel burn vs 2x200s, but I’ve figured that the much larger accommodation will be so much better (as we plan to weekend on it very regularly) so I’ll just need to be watchful how much we’re getting through. As I recall others saying, we’ll probably use it moving less than we think so hopefully be OK !

You soon get used to the fuel consumption, we find we can spend more on fuel traveling to and from the boat . We found most journeys we did were 15 miles or less ,30 mile round trip probably 60 litres of fuel less if you took your time.

 

[charlumax]

Hi all, advice appreciated as always..
After me insisting the broker supplies me with the VAT invoice, Transpires today the boat was supplied by a French Jeanneau Dealer to the UK buyer and shipped to the UK. I have sight of the French invoice which shows 20% tax paid, with a photo of the boat in UK waters to comply with Brexit VAT condition,
Apparently the usual warning stickers in the boat are multi lingual so not a problem but can’t help feeling the broker should have told me this up front.
The engines have 3 year warranty vs 5 I believe for UK customers, but cant swear to that unless anyone can confirm.
At the end of the day there’s UK dealers to supply UK customers for a reason.
Thoughts ?

 

[ChromeDome]

All Yamaha outboards, from model year 2008 and onwards imported by Yamaha Motor Europe N.V., Branch UK, purchased for leisure use carry a 3 year manufacturer warranty (commercial 2 yr). All four-stroke outboards purchased for leisure use in the UK and registered on the Yamaha warranty system will be eligible for an additional 2 year period giving a total of 5 years warranty cover. Offer open for a limited period. All cover is subject to regular servicing, as specified in the relevant Yamaha owner’s manual. Full terms & conditions available upon request from your dealer.

I'd contact Yam in UK to register & get confirmation of 5 years..

Source:
Outboard Five Year Warranty

 

[jakew009]

Hi all, advice appreciated as always..
After me insisting the broker supplies me with the VAT invoice, Transpires today the boat was supplied by a French Jeanneau Dealer to the UK buyer and shipped to the UK. I have sight of the French invoice which shows 20% tax paid, with a photo of the boat in UK waters to comply with Brexit VAT condition,
Apparently the usual warning stickers in the boat are multi lingual so not a problem but can’t help feeling the broker should have told me this up front.
The engines have 3 year warranty vs 5 I believe for UK customers, but cant swear to that unless anyone can confirm.
At the end of the day there’s UK dealers to supply UK customers for a reason.
Thoughts ?

When was the sale? Does the French dealer have a UK VAT number?

 

[charlumax]

When was the sale? Does the French dealer have a UK VAT number?

Sale was July 2020. no idea if French dealer has a UK VAT number but I have the invoice that shows 20% tax paid on purchase in France and subsequent berthing in Weymouth over end 2020 when apparently Brexit rules kicked in.

 

[charlumax]

I'd contact Yam in UK to register & get confirmation of 5 years..

Source:
Outboard Five Year Warranty

As expected, engines were purchased in France hence 3 year factory warranty. Only motors bought thru Yamaha (UK) get the additional 2 years.
how much do you think 2 years warranty is worth ?

 

[ChromeDome]

The reliability and build quality makes the last 2 years irrelevant IMO, but of you could get it for the effort of picking up the phone and asking nicely, it would be worth it.

Yamaha indeed offer warranty extension too, probably worth diggng into. Be aware that this is different between regions so EU would be your starting point.

Like a spare wheel: Better to have and not need than the other way around

 

[jakew009]

Sale was July 2020. no idea if French dealer has a UK VAT number but I have the invoice that shows 20% tax paid on purchase in France and subsequent berthing in Weymouth over end 2020 when apparently Brexit rules kicked in.

Got it, the sale was inside the transition period. Sounds fine.

I wouldn’t worry about the warranty extension.

 

[charlumax]

Got it, the sale was inside the transition period. Sounds fine.

I wouldn’t worry about the warranty extension.

Back home after a long day, boat was not as described, grp damage on the cockpit roof where canopy had blown off, very dirty, stained seats, corroded chrome fittings etc. Really poor prep, makes me wonder how some of these guys make a living…anyway, defo not for us, Pulled out, credit where credits due, broker has already refunded the deposit. So, back to basics.. There are a few around so we’ll see what happens…

 

[ChromeDome]

Yay, a fresh start!

You're wiser now, a good basis for next quest.

 

[jakew009]

Back home after a long day, boat was not as described, grp damage on the cockpit roof where canopy had blown off, very dirty, stained seats, corroded chrome fittings etc. Really poor prep, makes me wonder how some of these guys make a living…anyway, defo not for us, Pulled out, credit where credits due, broker has already refunded the deposit. So, back to basics.. There are a few around so we’ll see what happens…

Maybe too late now, but dont be afraid to make a stupid offer in this kind of scenario. Maybe the seller doesn’t care either and just wants it gone.

 

[ChromeDome]

Maybe too late now, but dont be afraid to make a stupid offer in this kind of scenario. Maybe the seller doesn’t care either and just wants it gone.

True, if after finding all these disappointments and getting a better price the boat is still desired.

Hurts to realize that the dream come true you hoped for isn't really there.

 

[charlumax]

True, if after finding all these disappointments and getting a better price the boat is still desired.

Hurts to realize that the dream come true you hoped for isn't really there.

Maybe too late now, but dont be afraid to make a stupid offer in this kind of scenario. Maybe the seller doesn’t care either and just wants it gone.

Game back on.. offer accepted today on one we had initially viewed but a bit more ££, deciced it’s worth the extra outlay, great spec. has everything bar TV in the berth, so all pretty much done. Engines getting serviced today (already arranged), survey tomorrow, sea trial next weekend and jobs a goodun..

Re TV, is it better to have 12v or 240 ?

 

[ChromeDome]

Re TV, is it better to have 12v or 240 ?

Exciting days

Both are OK, 240v in reality are running internally on a fraction of that, not a given that it is 12v though. Obviously easier with 240 when on shore power, but an inverter (of the right type and capacity) will run a 240 set off your 12v battery bank.
Depending on TV consumption, the battery drain must be considered but that goes for both.

Do you intend to watch a lot while underway?
We used to have a TV on board but never used it. Removed years ago and still don't miss it.

 

[charlumax]

Exciting days

Both are OK, 240v in reality are running internally on a fraction of that, not a given that it is 12v though. Obviously easier with 240 when on shore power, but an inverter (of the right type and capacity) will run a 240 set off your 12v battery bank.
Depending on TV consumption, the battery drain must be considered but that goes for both.

Do you intend to watch a lot while underway?
We used to have a TV on board but never used it. Removed years ago and still don't miss it.

Thanks. As we are going to be spending a few nights on board very regularly, MrsH wants one in the front berth. It certainly won’t be used away from the marina so shore-power only is absolutely fine. The standard domestic TVs are cheaper than the Cello 12v ones or similar, but I didnt know if there were other considerations hence my question.

 

[ChromeDome]

You're right: Much more turnover in domestic appliances than boaty things, so more competition and better prices. Until you opt for a 240v flat tv for outdoor use ! ££

Common for 12v and 240v is the bracket fitting pattern on the back: It's called VESA, and comprises 4 threaded screws in a rectangular or square pattern:

Antennas for boat TV have been discussed here, try a search.

 

[charlumax]

I can recommend Cobbs particularly if you get a boat with an air draft less than 3 m as you won’t be so restricted by the twin bridge openings. We have a Quicksilver 905 Weekend there and pleased.

Hi Nigel, we’ve got a mooring at Cobbs from 1st April, maybe sooner tbc. Any tips on Cobbs ?

 

[charlumax]

Hi Nigel, we’ve got a mooring at Cobbs from 1st April, maybe sooner tbc. Any tips on Cobbs ?

All progressing well. Survey passed with flying colours, a couple of minor things being done by dealer and fresh anti fouling tomorrow. Wanted to sea trial Friday but weather not looking suitable so perhaps will slip into later next week. So completion end Feb at this point.

I’ve decided to pay for an instructor for a days tuition, being an assisted passage Swanick to Poole, so I can enjoy the trip vs being stressed out, then a bit of time mooring/unmooring so money well spent I think.