Fire at East Cowes Marina

There are several posts getting taken completely out of context here
and I respectfully suggest the whole thread is read prior to making a judgement.

I have a great deal of sympathy for the owner.
I do not suspect ANYTHING untoward at all.

IMHO the thread should have been deleted or moderated .
 
I'm just amazed that, despite the boat being in a marina where there are facilities and good access, and the fire service arriving promptly when the fire was still relatively small, they still didn't manage to extinguish it even after several hours. Although at one point there seemed to be lots of smoke but few / no flames, as if they had it under control - but clearly not.

I'm shocked that even in ideal conditions, it's not possible to extinguish a boat fire.

The only reason the fire went out was that the boat sank.

Horrifying to think what would happen out at sea.
 
Trundlebug said:
I'm just amazed that, despite the boat being in a marina where there are facilities and good access, and the fire service arriving promptly when the fire was still relatively small, they still didn't manage to extinguish it even after several hours. Although at one point there seemed to be lots of smoke but few / no flames, as if they had it under control - but clearly not.

I'm shocked that even in ideal conditions, it's not possible to extinguish a boat fire.

The only reason the fire went out was that the boat sank.

Horrifying to think what would happen out at sea.
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See #13 & 72 ;)
 
I apologise if I have ruffled some feathers, but when all is said and done this was a replaceable consumer item. I had a JCB Fastrack catch fire and burn out a year or two back when I was driving it. An expensive tractor which I was very fond of, but it was insured and so could be replaced.
Going into mourning about a boat, and comparing it to your dog dying, seems a bit over the top to me.
Had it been an irreplaceable antique, such as the Cutty Sark that caught fire, it would have been more of a tragedy.
Had someone been killed or injured it would have been more of a tragedy.
Anyway the cause of the fire is pretty obvious, Delboy had just sold them a new radio!
 
Barleycorn said:
I apologise if I have ruffled some feathers, but when all is said and done this was a replaceable consumer item. I had a JCB Fastrack catch fire and burn out a year or two back when I was driving it. An expensive tractor which I was very fond of, but it was insured and so could be replaced.
Going into mourning about a boat, and comparing it to your dog dying, seems a bit over the top to me.
Had it been an irreplaceable antique, such as the Cutty Sark that caught fire, it would have been more of a tragedy.
Had someone been killed or injured it would have been more of a tragedy.
Anyway the cause of the fire is pretty obvious, Delboy had just sold them a new radio!
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can you not see it's your choice of words and timing that's the issue? rather than apologise and then try to justify what you've written, may I suggest a simple apology. come back later and attempt to convince boat owners their boat is a piece of replaceable tupperware not worthy of getting upset about but not right now eh, there are several boat owners who were worried about their boats at the time you decided to chip in with your view and indeed, some may still be worried if they've not had chance to visit the marina yet :rolleyes:
 
DAKA said:
I deleted my post as I decided it wasnt my fight but seeing as you have dragged me back in...............

In my opinion this thread is as ugly as barleycorn thinks Nordhavens are, several posters have attacked a relative newbie.

I thought the forum was moderated to control personal attacks.

It takes less time to delete a post than it takes to write one, come on guys, are you really happy with your contributions ?
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actually Pete he called them a jelly mold built with no craftsmanship. Ugly is subjective, if you think they are ugly, fine, what he said was wrong. As well as being insensitive.

Having skippered a couple of ocean passages on nordys, I would own one if I could afford one. And yes they are built by craftsmen.
 
Elessar said:
actually Pete he called them a jelly mold built with no craftsmanship. Ugly is subjective, if you think they are ugly, fine, what he said was wrong. As well as being insensitive.

Having skippered a couple of ocean passages on nordys, I would own one if I could afford one. And yes they are built by craftsmen.
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In my opinion the forum is not enhanced when the forum gang up and stick the boot in ,
especially when its directed at a newbie.
I posted to that effect however it is clear others including moderators dont agree,
I thought BC made a decent effort at an apology.


IMHO BC choice of comparable sailing boat fire was very interesting, and can not possibly be compared with the as new nordhaven.


Old rotting sailing boats can be carefully managed like a grouse moor !
 
DAKA said:
In my opinion the forum is not enhanced when the forum gang up and stick the boot in ,
especially when its directed at a newbie.
I posted to that effect however it is clear others including moderators dont agree,
I thought BC made a decent effort at an apology.


IMHO BC choice of comparable sailing boat fire was very interesting, and can not possibly be compared with the as new nordhaven.


Old rotting sailing boats can be carefully managed like a grouse moor !
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There was a fire o/b a large mobo on the river Humber ( i think) 6>8 weeks ago with the same result, it sank after burning to the water line
 
It's an object,a v.expensive object no doubt.but no one died or was injured.
Love this forum but wow,you guys know how to go for someone who doesn't fit in with your thinking.
Lisilou,it can't be his dream boat,it was up for sale.
You Solent guys n gals must be new to this boating malarkey,I've seen many a woodie burnt for their fittings once everyone has fallen outa love with them?that can be v.sad,lifetime of good service then burnt.was the norm once.
Don't seem to remember such a kerfuffle when the moonraker on the humber burnt to the waterline a while back.
 
Flynnbarr...I think you need to read the thread again. The guy made several very insensitive remarks at a very inapropriate time. I'm pretty sure the owner isn't just shrugging his shoulders saying 'Oh well...it's just a replaceable jelly mould'. 'Going for someone'?? No, just showing displeasure at such thoughtless/heartless remarks. So fair responses imo. Fwiw..I don't see our boat as just an object; for me it's a 2nd home and one I would be devastated at losing under ANY circumstances never mind burning to a cinder in front of my eyes so a bit of thought wouldn't have gone amiss.
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:)
 
lisilou said:
Flynnbarr...I think you need to read the thread again. The guy made several very insensitive remarks at a very inapropriate time. I'm pretty sure the owner isn't just shrugging his shoulders saying 'Oh well...it's just a replaceable jelly mould'. 'Going for someone'?? No, just showing displeasure at such thoughtless/heartless remarks. So fair responses imo. Fwiw..I don't see our boat as just an object; for me it's a 2nd home and one I would be devastated at losing under ANY circumstances never mind burning to a cinder in front of my eyes so a bit of thought wouldn't have gone amiss.
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:)
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well said Lisa and I feel it goes beyond that... there were forumites and indeed friends, with boats berthed in close proximity who really didn't know whether their boats had been damaged or not.. it wasn't just about Kahu.

Daka, Flynnbarr, there's no sticking in boots or laying into newbs going on here, just astoundment as to how someone could be so insensitive at the time and openly telling them that's the case. I was however ott with the final comment that's been deleted.
 
Whitelighter said:
I agree.

In fact I reckon right now he's thinking 'going to get the insurance value, and I haven't even got to pay the broker. Result...'
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Not intending to be antagonistic here, but we are looking at a total loss. Does that mean that the insurer will pay cash to the extent of the insured amount, or replace "like for like" ? If its the latter I assume the brokers fees are delayed rather than avoided ?

I guess it boils down to policy wording and possible deals but I only ask as I have "like for like" on my holiday home, and god forbid I have to test it ....
 
Andy Bav said:
Not intending to be antagonistic here, but we are looking at a total loss. Does that mean that the insurer will pay cash to the extent of the insured amount, or replace "like for like" ? If its the latter I assume the brokers fees are delayed rather than avoided ?

I guess it boils down to policy wording and possible deals but I only ask as I have "like for like" on my holiday home, and god forbid I have to test it ....
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It would be very unusual to have a marine policy that stipulated a replacement would be sort. It is likely the boat was insured for either market value or quite possibly an agreed value. Either way, the owner, assuming it is a total loss and a genuine claimable event, with receive a bloody great cheque which which he can do as he pleases.

No brokers
No viewing
No haggling
And *possibly* realising a better value than if it was to sell in what must be a limited market. Being so new I suspect he will get the cost of a new replacement, less the excess and any finance interest of course
 
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