cagey
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None, but OP was about dreary repetative content in Feb YM
Feb YM
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snooks
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The Southampton one happened during the boatshow with free tickets to the show thrown in, and there's one during soon, I think the info about it went out in the news letters but I don't know for sure and I'm out of the office now until after the show...but I'll see what I can find out
When?
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The Southampton one happened during the boatshow with free tickets to the show thrown in, and there's one during soon, I think the info about it went out in the news letters but I don't know for sure and I'm out of the office now until after the show...but I'll see what I can find out
snooks
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You and your collegues are paid to do a job and when the customer over a long period tells you are under performing then that is the time to look long and hard at the product rather than shuffling numbers to prove me wrong.
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If that's what you believe, nothing I can say will change your mind.
We're not under performing, if we were, we'd be loosing readers...We are not FACT, as I've said repeatedly our sales figures proof the opposite FACT, ABC figures can't be "shuffled" FACT nothing I can say will convince you otherwise
If you would like to proved me with facts to back up your post please do, here's the website for the ABC Data http://www.abc.org.uk/
Until you can, I'll save my time, and leave you to it.
You and your collegues are paid to do a job and when the customer over a long period tells you are under performing then that is the time to look long and hard at the product rather than shuffling numbers to prove me wrong.
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If that's what you believe, nothing I can say will change your mind.
We're not under performing, if we were, we'd be loosing readers...We are not FACT, as I've said repeatedly our sales figures proof the opposite FACT, ABC figures can't be "shuffled" FACT nothing I can say will convince you otherwise
If you would like to proved me with facts to back up your post please do, here's the website for the ABC Data http://www.abc.org.uk/
Until you can, I'll save my time, and leave you to it.
cagey
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Fine by me.
I was bored with this post.
Night
I was bored with this post.
Night
I don't think YM is on a longterm editorial decline but the med charter hols issue always marks the low point of the year for me.
Photo's of conceited upper middle class charterers and prose bragging about their med holiday on a humongous Cat seemed poorly timed in the month that the Bank of England dropped the interest rate to lowest point in 300 years to combat a looming depression.
Photo's of conceited upper middle class charterers and prose bragging about their med holiday on a humongous Cat seemed poorly timed in the month that the Bank of England dropped the interest rate to lowest point in 300 years to combat a looming depression.
oldsalt
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I must admit I prefrred the old YM's which had much more text. An issue would keep me entertained for many evenings, and the articles were often re-read. Nowadays, I have read the mag in an hour and never look at it again.
Howevr, I suspect I am in the minority. People seem to have a shorter attention span, and big pictures and nice layout are what they want, hence the continued sales of YM. YM has to chase the market, and this they are doing very well. Maybe there is a niche for a "wordy" sailing mag...
Howevr, I suspect I am in the minority. People seem to have a shorter attention span, and big pictures and nice layout are what they want, hence the continued sales of YM. YM has to chase the market, and this they are doing very well. Maybe there is a niche for a "wordy" sailing mag...
Koeketiene
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The Southampton one happened during the boatshow with free tickets to the show thrown in, and there's one during soon, I think the info about it went out in the news letters but I don't know for sure and I'm out of the office now until after the show...but I'll see what I can find out
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Thanks - look forward to that.
Knew about the S'Hampton one - it was very well publicised.
Not a peep about one at LIBS - if there indeed is one.
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When?
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The Southampton one happened during the boatshow with free tickets to the show thrown in, and there's one during soon, I think the info about it went out in the news letters but I don't know for sure and I'm out of the office now until after the show...but I'll see what I can find out
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Thanks - look forward to that.
Knew about the S'Hampton one - it was very well publicised.
Not a peep about one at LIBS - if there indeed is one.
TiggerToo
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Mornin' all: before getting down to the day's job here are couple of points I'd like to make.
Feb's YM was not as crap as some here would like to make us believe. Yes, there were some bits that were boring. Yes, I was not particularly enthused by Jelly. But whaoo, the article on sailing in cold climates was fab. And the bit on using a brogue was also interesting. Even if I had read other stuff on rough weather sailing before: if nothing else because the story happened in areas and under conditions I may well find myself in one day.
One thing we must bear in mind, though, is that not only do the mags change, but we do, as individuals. We get older, wiser (!), grumpier and less excited about certain things. Experience gets in the way of fantasy. I certainly have a different take on sailing 10 years after having started from scratch. I don't pick up my monthly fix of glossy sailingp*rn, with the same expectation I did in 98. Been there, done that. The mags are not the ultimate source of truth and precision. By all means write in and write critiques here and elsewhere. But don't expect to wind your clocks back.
Having saind that: Snooks - you are not serously thinking that we should pity you on your job? Surely for every hour spent holed up in a wet cold sickness inducing liferaft, you will have ten hours of talking to, photographing (flirting) with our Sam, Dee,... (ok lets not go there).
So, cheer up boys and girls. Get a life. The mags for me are for when I am land bound and I like to have a little help to dream. When I am on board, I don't need the glossy pages: the sea, Tigger, sailing and so on take over. Completely.
Cheers
Feb's YM was not as crap as some here would like to make us believe. Yes, there were some bits that were boring. Yes, I was not particularly enthused by Jelly. But whaoo, the article on sailing in cold climates was fab. And the bit on using a brogue was also interesting. Even if I had read other stuff on rough weather sailing before: if nothing else because the story happened in areas and under conditions I may well find myself in one day.
One thing we must bear in mind, though, is that not only do the mags change, but we do, as individuals. We get older, wiser (!), grumpier and less excited about certain things. Experience gets in the way of fantasy. I certainly have a different take on sailing 10 years after having started from scratch. I don't pick up my monthly fix of glossy sailingp*rn, with the same expectation I did in 98. Been there, done that. The mags are not the ultimate source of truth and precision. By all means write in and write critiques here and elsewhere. But don't expect to wind your clocks back.
Having saind that: Snooks - you are not serously thinking that we should pity you on your job? Surely for every hour spent holed up in a wet cold sickness inducing liferaft, you will have ten hours of talking to, photographing (flirting) with our Sam, Dee,... (ok lets not go there).
So, cheer up boys and girls. Get a life. The mags for me are for when I am land bound and I like to have a little help to dream. When I am on board, I don't need the glossy pages: the sea, Tigger, sailing and so on take over. Completely.
Cheers
jordanbasset
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A good post, agree with much of what you say. Like one or two others I go to Smiths to check out the mags and decide which one grabs my fancy that month. It is my choice to buy or not, no one holds a gun to my head. Perhaps because I am less experienced in bigger boats I am easily pleased but think Y.M., as well as S.T. and PBO are reasonable value - /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Twister_Ken
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Using a brogue?
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There's a great learning curve about carrying a drogue.
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In my printed edition there must be a typo, was it a Bavaria 38 or 32?
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There's a great learning curve about carrying a drogue.
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In my printed edition there must be a typo, was it a Bavaria 38 or 32?
ChrisE
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It was a Bav 38.
Interestingly, and not wishing to start a AWB/MAB war, we went from Tregier to St. Peters Port in RS in very similar conditions as they mention in their article and had a jolly sail with no alarums. Still a Bav can sail in next to no wind whereas we need F6+ to lift our skirts.
It was a Bav 38.
Interestingly, and not wishing to start a AWB/MAB war, we went from Tregier to St. Peters Port in RS in very similar conditions as they mention in their article and had a jolly sail with no alarums. Still a Bav can sail in next to no wind whereas we need F6+ to lift our skirts.
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we went from Tregier to St. Peters Port in RS in very similar conditions as they mention in their article and had a jolly sail with no alarums.
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Thanks.
I conducted similar Bavaria stress testing in Lyme Bay this October. The wind went a touch north of 40kts for 20 minutes, plenty of alarm, green waves rolling past the coachroof windows, I shouted "she's gonna roll captain" but then remembered I was single handing.
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we went from Tregier to St. Peters Port in RS in very similar conditions as they mention in their article and had a jolly sail with no alarums.
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Thanks.
I conducted similar Bavaria stress testing in Lyme Bay this October. The wind went a touch north of 40kts for 20 minutes, plenty of alarm, green waves rolling past the coachroof windows, I shouted "she's gonna roll captain" but then remembered I was single handing.
mikegnew
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Yo Graham An enterprising, fascinating, amusing sail article. All of the above! Teen techno sailing with old sea-dog. Great idea.
Mention teens and the internet, and instant apoplexy may erupt among some ancient mariners.
But young ‘uns with sore bottoms and their heads stuck in computer screens, may now be inspired to investigate real-life companionship, action, and fun, through sailing - the message coming loud and clear from one of their own, Jellyellie – in empathy with Dick. He may be an old sea-dog but his mind is all-alive-O. Well done YM.
Mention teens and the internet, and instant apoplexy may erupt among some ancient mariners.
But young ‘uns with sore bottoms and their heads stuck in computer screens, may now be inspired to investigate real-life companionship, action, and fun, through sailing - the message coming loud and clear from one of their own, Jellyellie – in empathy with Dick. He may be an old sea-dog but his mind is all-alive-O. Well done YM.
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