Fatal boat crash Brit s involved.

marcochi76 said:
The other boat involved is Berlusconi ‘s Magnum
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Sounds like Amore was overtaking Sweet dragon at speed .
Can’t imagine Sweet dragon ( Mr B s magnum ) going out at that time .Every one’s returning after a day out .
These type of boats are villa owners boats .

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Once past saw another and took evasive action into the rock , which probably wasn’t lit and silhouetted against the shore light s ,the town lights .

Some times in busy areas where there are a lot of villa owner boaters say St Trop .In the morning around 11 am everyone s going out say round the peninsula to Pampolone. There are rocks lurking too most marked with a tower and light .
How ever from 4/5 pm it’s the reverse 100 s going back ( a lot charted ) .Bigger muscle boats surging past eating the waves and sea .Don ‘ t ask how o know how .
Its a bun fight .
If unfortunately a small boat in experienced was going the opposing way ……? …..in twilight silhouetted by shore lights of St Maxime as you came round then ?
Some folks run close to the rocks / markers too close for my comfort.
So there’s no inside room to go if you have to .

A slower boat Infront dead In front say going 28 knots as our boat behind creeps up his wake at 32 then pops out to pass we might get a shock to see the tiddler coming the other way or worse doing 10 knots the same way =you gonna arse end him ,or risk a turn into the reef ?
40 knots does not leave any thinking time .There’s none at 30 btw .

We cruise at 28/30 knots and always drop down if busy or take where poss very wide berths sliding past someone .
The boat in front 1/2 the time never sees us creep up , so for me there’s a risk of asudden swerve .
Col regs say it’s up the guy behind overtaking to adjust speed , course and pass at an appropriate distance .Any side .
You can’t make the guy in front move over .It’s not the outside lane of a motorway mentality.

Having said all this the Cannes Princess / Pershing fatality of the crew member ( 2018 ?? ) was bravado from the Pershing helm getting close to the Priny and attempting to wash , by turn the rooster tail on the Priny .

They all know each other the “professional “ skippers my speculation Amore s Capt was attempting a unnecessary overtake of the then slower Sweet Dargon , only to find once parallel or very just past another boat , much slower vessel chugging back , or coming out say a peche promenade type of boat ? . Sweet Dragons Capt has already seen this and dropped down the speed .
He was prob shocked to see Amore over take in the twilight , or was it dark already ?

I raised the Cannes incident to illustrate the CoL regs do work , it’s safe etc but theses fatalities tend to have a bravado element .
 
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The other thing is deep V I mean proper 20 * + deadrise with hard chine flats , deep spray rails / lifting strips when they get set planning they are hard to turn .
The responsiveness is inversely proportional to the speed .

My rudders are just ornaments between 30 - 35 knots .Sometimes i slow down to 25 knots so i can take evasive action.

The hull just lifts up and only the tips are in any useful water .Slow it down it sinks and the rudders start working .

I know they are on Arnies but at 40 knots they will be up, 1/2 in the air ….hence the name surface drives .

So to illustrate at say 32 knots full rudder just pulls it off course we need about a huge ( empty bay ) to end up where we started .

25 knots I can turn it say a 1000 m circumference.Fine for stuff a fair way out .
10 knots it turns like a boat easy to avoid anything .

So cruising at 28 knots ( eco speed ) I have a pot spotter , 4 eyes looking Fwds .I need see them 1000 m out .Or if 200- 100 throttle back rapidly to get some tight steering .

I would imagine Amore was in its steering dead zone at that speed or only just long distance responsive .
Set it to overtake .
Lost vital time pulling back the throttles and equally dipping the drives and turning and looking out trying to decipher what was I front against the city shore lights .
 
Sad to read this but surely there are far better subjects to post on this forum than this very sad accident , I was told today who the male Brit was .

We talk about the mods taking adverts off making certain people moan about that , I’m very surprised the mods haven’t had the decency to take this post down .

Rich or poor as a Father , Grandfather etc I wouldn’t have wanted to read this post had it been one of my families loss.
People has said they have had enough of this forum , I’m not much of a contributor these days , I’m afraid this post is just one of them that too makes me feel the same way.
 
No different to the Cannes fatality . In terms of coverage on here .
Object in a show + tell kinda way is learn and not copy what happened.

it’s gonna come out when the prosecutor has finished , ie re enter the public domain as did many others , the rakfiki sail boat a few yrs ago found capsized mid Atlantic all perished …..some keel bolt maintenance issues / vessel suitably for a transit ? ?

There will be take home msg from this which might save lives .
 
volvopaul said:
Sad to read this but surely there are far better subjects to post on this forum than this very sad accident , I was told today who the male Brit was .

We talk about the mods taking adverts off making certain people moan about that , I’m very surprised the mods haven’t had the decency to take this post down .

Rich or poor as a Father , Grandfather etc I wouldn’t have wanted to read this post had it been one of my families loss.
People has said they have had enough of this forum , I’m not much of a contributor these days , I’m afraid this post is just one of them that too makes me feel the same way.
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I agree. I don’t think this is the place for this type of post. And way Way too much speculation
 
Read post #16 the facts are there .
Not difficult to read between the lines .
Which bits of post 16 do the anti speculation gang need clarity?

In the dark with lights silhouetted against the shore clutter .Amore over took red dragon at 40 knots in a narrow channel …..then had to take evasive action then hit a know rock sticking up .Red Dragon would have been first on the scene after just being over took .

In Cannes in broad daylight the skipper of the Pershing over took the Priny ( which was up anchoring ) closely at speed , and hit the deck hand leaning over the side watching the anchor and killed him .That skipper is serving jail time .

As I said these arn’t bad luck , just one of those things , all part and parcel of mo bo ing , “ it happens “ move on things .

Col reg based , they protect everyone.Fatalities are usually deviation from the CoL regs .
Which bit will come out .But I don’t think you have to work too hard with this one .

Mystified forum members will have to wait for the report .
 
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volvopaul said:
Sad to read this but surely there are far better subjects to post on this forum than this very sad accident , I was told today who the male Brit was .

We talk about the mods taking adverts off making certain people moan about that , I’m very surprised the mods haven’t had the decency to take this post down .

Rich or poor as a Father , Grandfather etc I wouldn’t have wanted to read this post had it been one of my families loss.
People has said they have had enough of this forum , I’m not much of a contributor these days , I’m afraid this post is just one of them that too makes me feel the same way.
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From a boating perspective, it's worth highlighting, but that's it.

100% agree on a personal perspective. The death of someone's nearest and dearest shouldn't become the basis of internet gossip and speculation.
 
PalmaTarga said:
From a boating perspective, it's worth highlighting, but that's it.

100% agree on a personal perspective. The death of someone's nearest and dearest shouldn't become the basis of internet gossip and speculation.
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Agree .Look closely I have never mentioned the guy .
Used a phase after others indulged by post #18 “ plenty of media coverage of ……”

Its the boaty bit i am interested in not the personal.
 
I'm always interested in "What not to do", especially as relates to boats and aircraft.

The loss of life in this case is very sad, but it is interesting that while we have an average of 5 deaths per day on UK roads, very few of them ever make the headlines unless they are special in some way. But every boating fatality seems to occupy the headlines for weeks.
 
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