Fairline Targa 37 buying advice

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Hi everyone,

My first post. Have stalked this forum from a distance previously but now find myself need some assistance on a potential boat purchase.

I am seeking advice prior to going ahead with the purchase of a Fairline Targa 37.

It is an ex med boat, having spent 16 years of its 17 year life in the med. As with any boat that has spent significant time in the med the hull could do with some attention cosmetically (bit of sun damage and a few bumps and scrapes) and the cockpit cushions have seen better days. I expect some can be cleaned but some will need to be replaced.

The teak has been ruined by some sort of previous chemical treatment and over scrubbing so will require replacing. I am happy with going down the Flexi teak route to save on future maintenance but I am unsure if prices for Flexi teak fitting include deck preparation, would anyone know what costs might be involved in removing old teak and prepping the cockpit and swim platform?

It is fitted with Volvo's KAD44 engines on outdrives. Records show props and one drive were replaced 3 years ago - in absence of facts available, is it sensible to assume due to an under water collision or could this be down to a galvanic corrosion issue? I am thinking it is possible but would guess that both drives would be replaced if this was the case. Further only 8 months ago there is a separate invoice for 4 new propellers and the mechanic states "The propellers have all suffered from galvanic corrosion and it is our recommendation to replace both sets of propellers with the J-Series propellers". This second observation has been made after the vessel was moved from the med to the UK. There is then an invoice for a drive inspection with a report showing that the drives were in poor condition and bare aluminium was showing in places. The mechanic scraped the worst of the corrosion and flaky paint off, lightly sanded then treated with anti-rust, lacquer and antifoul.

Having seen the vessel today, the paint on the drives is very flaky again. Is this indicative that there could be an issue with the boat when connected to shore power? i.e. there is an earth problem and there could be damage to the internals.

It is currently out of the water so I have been unable to trial at sea however there is a note to say one engine suffers from a squeaky belt. Could this be more complicated than expected, perhaps supercharger related? I lack experience of these engines (always had petrol previously). Appreciate a sea trial is the only way to be sure.

I have also noticed from the most recent service notes that there was a leak suspected to be from the port engine oil cooler. Does anyone have experience of costs involved in replacing an oil cooler, should that be the course of action that is required?

A lot of people have warned me to have the exhaust manifolds checked out before purchase and ideally they should have been replaced around 10 year old or 1,000 hours. I cannot see a record of this having been done ever and the boat is well past 10 years old and has over 1,200 hours on her. What would peoples approach be to this?

It has been used as a charter boat previously but unsure if its ticket is still valid. Its part 1 expired earlier this year. Does anyone know how to establish if the vessel is still coded and what finance maybe outstanding on it, if any? In my experience vessels are commonly on the Part 1 register when finance has been used to purchase the vessel.

In the service history it was noted that the engine pulleys were badly corroded and required replacement. Any ideas what cost would be involved here?

To end on a cheery note the saloon has recently had new cushions and carpet, it could be a lovely vessel and it is ideal for what my family is after.

Look forward to hearing advice from you all.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Well certainly some alarm bells there to focus the attentions of a good marine engineer and surveyor.
Personally I have always avoided outdrives as their only purpose seem to be to rot before your eyes when in water. On smaller boats they have their place as they are compact and free up space for living. On larger boats I just don't get it and would go for shaft drive every time for simplicity and less exposure to the corrosion of sea and stray electricity in marina settings. Look around any marina and you will sea many boats with outdrives laid up with holes in their transom where a a leg and prop should be. Easy to fall in love with the accommodation but the its the expensive bits that concern me.
Good surveyor should sort you out and more than cover his fee in negotiating a price reduction.
There will be lots more advice along shortly, this is just my opinion based on experience.
 
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Pershing 37
CAT ,s or Yanmar
Riva Bravo 38 -cummins
Aprea Mare 10,11 or 12 M -- none Volvo too

Any of the above will outlast ,cost less on down time ,and £ than the Targa 37 on 10 y + rotting outdrives and rusty kad 44 ,s

Oh just one more hmm -- I wonder --erm umm -- of course an Itama the classic 38 every engine except Volvo .
 
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Hi everyone,

My first post. Have stalked this forum from a distance previously but now find myself need some assistance on a potential boat purchase.

I am seeking advice prior to going ahead with the purchase of a Fairline Targa 37.

It is an ex med boat, having spent 16 years of its 17 year life in the med. As with any boat that has spent significant time in the med the hull could do with some attention cosmetically (bit of sun damage and a few bumps and scrapes) and the cockpit cushions have seen better days. I expect some can be cleaned but some will need to be replaced.

The teak has been ruined by some sort of previous chemical treatment and over scrubbing so will require replacing. I am happy with going down the Flexi teak route to save on future maintenance but I am unsure if prices for Flexi teak fitting include deck preparation, would anyone know what costs might be involved in removing old teak and prepping the cockpit and swim platform?

It is fitted with Volvo's KAD44 engines on outdrives. Records show props and one drive were replaced 3 years ago - in absence of facts available, is it sensible to assume due to an under water collision or could this be down to a galvanic corrosion issue? I am thinking it is possible but would guess that both drives would be replaced if this was the case. Further only 8 months ago there is a separate invoice for 4 new propellers and the mechanic states "The propellers have all suffered from galvanic corrosion and it is our recommendation to replace both sets of propellers with the J-Series propellers". This second observation has been made after the vessel was moved from the med to the UK. There is then an invoice for a drive inspection with a report showing that the drives were in poor condition and bare aluminium was showing in places. The mechanic scraped the worst of the corrosion and flaky paint off, lightly sanded then treated with anti-rust, lacquer and antifoul.

Having seen the vessel today, the paint on the drives is very flaky again. Is this indicative that there could be an issue with the boat when connected to shore power? i.e. there is an earth problem and there could be damage to the internals.

It is currently out of the water so I have been unable to trial at sea however there is a note to say one engine suffers from a squeaky belt. Could this be more complicated than expected, perhaps supercharger related? I lack experience of these engines (always had petrol previously). Appreciate a sea trial is the only way to be sure.

I have also noticed from the most recent service notes that there was a leak suspected to be from the port engine oil cooler. Does anyone have experience of costs involved in replacing an oil cooler, should that be the course of action that is required?

A lot of people have warned me to have the exhaust manifolds checked out before purchase and ideally they should have been replaced around 10 year old or 1,000 hours. I cannot see a record of this having been done ever and the boat is well past 10 years old and has over 1,200 hours on her. What would peoples approach be to this?

It has been used as a charter boat previously but unsure if its ticket is still valid. Its part 1 expired earlier this year. Does anyone know how to establish if the vessel is still coded and what finance maybe outstanding on it, if any? In my experience vessels are commonly on the Part 1 register when finance has been used to purchase the vessel.

In the service history it was noted that the engine pulleys were badly corroded and required replacement. Any ideas what cost would be involved here?

To end on a cheery note the saloon has recently had new cushions and carpet, it could be a lovely vessel and it is ideal for what my family is after.

Look forward to hearing advice from you all.

Thanks in advance.

After reading this I hope it's cheap like circa 55k, there are nice ones available in the U.K. That have been privately used , I don't imagine the hours are high, don't take any notice of what is in the rev counter display, the ECU if original will have the actual hours stored but ha still be read via the diagnostic key or vodka which will involve paying a dealer to read for you.
As ever I can't stress enough a structural and separate mechanical survey on the engines and drives carried out by an independent or dealer , don't let normal surveyors fool you into there opinion , and an oil sample test from each engine.
The targa 34 and 37 are very good boats but as this is a charter boat it will have been driven hard.
 
The Targa 37 with KAD44's can be a nice boat, but a large chunk of the value is in the engines and drives, and your description of this one makes it sound fairly rough tbh. As Volvopaul rightly says, this needs to be a cheap boat to make it worth the effort to put right.

I actually had one of these, and I had galvanic probs on one drive; it turned out that the bonding to the lower drive unit had failed so I added additional bonding straps and it didn't get any worse after that. I also fitted a galvanic isolator.

I think the T37 is still a good-looking boat, about the only real downside is that space in the engine compartment is tight. Have a look under the sofa in the saloon to see if there's any cracking around the junction between the frames and the hull, this is an easy-to-find indicator of a boat that's been driven reasonably hard.

The big thing to check with KAD44 maintenance history is whether or not the tappet clearances have been done to schedule (every 200 hours). Ref your point on the exhaust elbows, they do have a finite life but they aren't cheap iirc so I'd only be replacing them when they do actually fail.

Have you looked at any other T37's to see if there's a better example available in your budget?
 
Forgot the Pershing 37 - it cones up every time we have this discussion you'd think I'd remember.
You'll not find or sell any of the others in the uk

That's the problem a sort of myopic brit we know best and readily swallow what we see at LIBS + SIBS .
Inability to rationalise that just maybe Johney foreigner can do boats better .
Pitty really cos the penny has dropped with cars ,Tv, phones , computers .

I went for a swim dried off ,got the I pad under the Binimi saw your post ,popped my head up and wrote what I saw .-- in the med .
 
Yes it is tending to keep the AC running. Bodging about ,until lunch time ( getting up @10 ) going out late -returning after 8 .
It's just easier to do outside stuff after sun down .
Went to Lidl today to provision 34 .Degrees on the car temp guage .
@ sun set the air soon cools and yup the water kinda reverses and feels warmer as opposed to cooler say 3pm .
It's Hot v hot at the mo .
It's not windy as well ,pretty flat too
So planning the trip calculating wind dir not needed

Sure T 37 great looking boat -thing is I wish folks on here would mentally budget £1K /year in a man maths kinda way for extra , running costs once over say 7-10 years .
And just bite the bullet pay up .
Instead they or most just seem to winge about this that or the other .
Take the "seal" thread by Julians , --a rotating piece of metal a rubber seal --it's not gonna work ,sooner or later it will leak . Pay them£ -move on .wait x years repeat etc .
Aluminium in sea water -sans anode or excess galvanic issues = problems
Hydraulic rams submerged --knackered seals -- eventually

Anyhow rant over
 
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After reading this I hope it's cheap like circa 55k, there are nice ones available in the U.K. That have been privately used , I don't imagine the hours are high, don't take any notice of what is in the rev counter display, the ECU if original will have the actual hours stored but ha still be read via the diagnostic key or vodka which will involve paying a dealer to read for you.
As ever I can't stress enough a structural and separate mechanical survey on the engines and drives carried out by an independent or dealer , don't let normal surveyors fool you into there opinion , and an oil sample test from each engine.
The targa 34 and 37 are very good boats but as this is a charter boat it will have been driven hard.

Thanks for the advice. The boat is listed at £90k. Its advert gave an impression of being in immaculate condition, the photo's sure were great! So today has been a bit of a let down. Next step will be to send my initial thoughts back to the broker, gauge what movement there is on price and if there is some then I will have a survey carried out and go from there. It is certainly not a £90k boat.

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Well certainly some alarm bells there to focus the attentions of a good marine engineer and surveyor.
Personally I have always avoided outdrives as their only purpose seem to be to rot before your eyes when in water. On smaller boats they have their place as they are compact and free up space for living. On larger boats I just don't get it and would go for shaft drive every time for simplicity and less exposure to the corrosion of sea and stray electricity in marina settings. Look around any marina and you will sea many boats with outdrives laid up with holes in their transom where a a leg and prop should be. Easy to fall in love with the accommodation but the its the expensive bits that concern me.
Good surveyor should sort you out and more than cover his fee in negotiating a price reduction.
There will be lots more advice along shortly, this is just my opinion based on experience.

Appreciate your response an opinion but I have no issue with outdrives. I have owned a mixture of boats and all the ones with outdrives have never let me down. The type of boats I am looking at don't come with shafts or IPS as an option.

Pershing 37
CAT ,s or Yanmar
Riva Bravo 38 -cummins
Aprea Mare 10,11 or 12 M -- none Volvo too

Any of the above will outlast ,cost less on down time ,and £ than the Targa 37 on 10 y + rotting outdrives and rusty kad 44 ,s

Oh just one more hmm -- I wonder --erm umm -- of course an Itama the classic 38 every engine except Volvo .

I do love the Pershing brand but there is nothing on the market that either takes my interest, is affordable to me or works with my situation. Saw a lovely Pershing in Greece last week too, really nice boats.

The Targa 37 with KAD44's can be a nice boat, but a large chunk of the value is in the engines and drives, and your description of this one makes it sound fairly rough tbh. As Volvopaul rightly says, this needs to be a cheap boat to make it worth the effort to put right.

I actually had one of these, and I had galvanic probs on one drive; it turned out that the bonding to the lower drive unit had failed so I added additional bonding straps and it didn't get any worse after that. I also fitted a galvanic isolator.

I think the T37 is still a good-looking boat, about the only real downside is that space in the engine compartment is tight. Have a look under the sofa in the saloon to see if there's any cracking around the junction between the frames and the hull, this is an easy-to-find indicator of a boat that's been driven reasonably hard.

The big thing to check with KAD44 maintenance history is whether or not the tappet clearances have been done to schedule (every 200 hours). Ref your point on the exhaust elbows, they do have a finite life but they aren't cheap iirc so I'd only be replacing them when they do actually fail.

Have you looked at any other T37's to see if there's a better example available in your budget?

Thanks also for your reply. This is the first T37 we've viewed although we are very familiar with the Targa boats in general. The complication we have is we have a boat to sell to help fund the purchase of the Targa so we need a broker or other owner willing to accept ours in part-ex.

I've finished going through the service history tonight and it has massive gaps. Not to say things have or haven't been done, but I can only go on what invoices/receipts are available. There is nothing from 1999 to 2009, from 2010 to 2013 there is a log book which is unsupported (no invoices at all) and from 2014 to 2017 there are invoices include a tappet check last year.

Oh yeah, it was listed as a 2000 year model but in the paper work its listed as 1999 model.

So for me to pursue this boat it will have to be at a drastically reduced and only if an in depth hull and machinery survey gives a positive response. I suspect I will need to keep looking but I'll see this out before moving on.
 
Where is the boat lying at the moment? If it's in the UK, what's the back story as to why it was relocated?

Hi Petem,

The boat is currently in Swannick Marina. It appears to have been brought back from Mallorca in September last year. Not 100% sure but appears to have sat unused whilst the current owner carried out some work down below, namely new carpets and cushions. I do not know much more than this as all conversations have been via the broker.
 
I walk by this boat most weeks, a very nice example, I can find the owners details of you wish .

Hi Volvopaul

I am going to take a look this weekend. I have spoken to the broker this morning to arrange and have shared my recent viewing experience of the other boat and he assures me it is a good vessel. The only downside is the owners of this Targa 39 already have their eyes on a new boat so do not want the RIB in part-ex, so I have to get that sold to make any deal happen.
 
Hi Volvopaul

I am going to take a look this weekend. I have spoken to the broker this morning to arrange and have shared my recent viewing experience of the other boat and he assures me it is a good vessel. The only downside is the owners of this Targa 39 already have their eyes on a new boat so do not want the RIB in part-ex, so I have to get that sold to make any deal happen.

It's a very nice boat from the outside, I used to look after the previous Liselle they owned which was in good order so I'd imagine this one is too, I've not done work for this owner but a friend has .
I am around Port Solent most weeks if you decide to buy I can do a mechanical inspection and sea trial.
 
It's a very nice boat from the outside, I used to look after the previous Liselle they owned which was in good order so I'd imagine this one is too, I've not done work for this owner but a friend has .
I am around Port Solent most weeks if you decide to buy I can do a mechanical inspection and sea trial.

Thanks Volvopaul - you have been recommended to me by another chap so you will be getting a call if things go ahead. :-)
 
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