FAIRLINE NEW BUILD

I thought that they were going to come out with a larger model to replace the 78' Squadron, but no sign of it yet - is this still on the cards I wonder, or will the 68' model remain the largest?
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I think that JFM mentioned once that they had built over 100 of the 78' models, so they were very popular - and they do look nice as well.
I must admit that I prefer the older styles over the latest styling as shown on their website now.

And after enjoying JFM's build threads of his two 78' Squadrons, heavily customised, I was of the opinion that if anybody ever asked me for suggestions regarding a motor yacht around 24 metres, I would simply tell them to go to Fairline and ask for another Match like JFM's - he did all the hard work, and we know it all works well.
 
They look modern and with it .The new 33 should sell well if it’s priced competitively .I have lost touch with pricing theses days .
Reading the specs ( doubt many will theses days ) I noticed the honest description of the hull build up .
There words not mine PeteM “ Liner “ .
Thankfully theses days of wanna be floating apartments holiday home leisure boaters sauntering around shows that nuance is buried in a sea of words .

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The engines lack a significant bigger option too .
A missed trick considering the light weight ( and sure strong while it lasts ? ) hull coring with a liner .

Anyhow I will go to 2024 ……..ever the optimist .
Look good ,competitively priced , Covid demand bubble not yet burst ,buyers sod all interested in details and performance.
 
The problem is not the liner, more the Cored (fully cored or not) hull. There was a lot of rumours on that only three months old Targa 45 which sank in Mallorca last year (2020) and that it sank cause of delamination.

Resin Infusion and Core (btw which core) sandwich construction is good if done correctly but a small mistake and the resin starvation that comes afterwards can really cause havoc, as we have seen with other popular builders in the past.

I know for sure that up till the last day of Cannes, Fairline had 45 and 50s available for 2022.
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
The problem is not the liner, more the Cored (fully cored or not) hull. There was a lot of rumours on that only three months old Targa 45 which sank in Mallorca last year (2020) and that it sank cause of delamination.
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We were in Portals when that happened. Common understanding was that it was an exhaust issue. I don't think any de-lam would take a boat down that quick.
 
PalmaTarga said:
We were in Portals when that happened. Common understanding was that it was an exhaust issue. I don't think any de-lam would take a boat down that quick.
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Wonder what really went wrong ?
Its not a good look .
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Here is the IPS instal manual.
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Below is a single ( used on the VP instal guide ) maybe the delimitation occurred where I have marked with red cracks the actual hole the pods goes through.Imagine the hull integrity between a pair of theses sizeable holes .

Ought to be real thick laminate not just between but all around those massive holes .
Any flexing and = stress cracks .Now imaging a pair of pods tearing the hull in opposite directions as they azimuth in oppersite directions at the command of the joystick by a new-by boat shy skipper , attempting to park it .
The stress and strains between the pod holes = core delimitation and a weep turns into a seep then into a leak .
A leak the bilge pumps were overcome .
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I am not getting “ exhaust “ looking at theses VP diagrams.Unless some idiot left a loose clamp , but PDI ? Daily checks , Alarms ? Bilge pumps etc ?
If so must be worrying to other IPS guys out there ……exhaust could go unsuspecting?
 
TonyR123 said:
I also heard the same as PalmaTarga. An installation/handover issue (i.e. human error) and not a faulty component. "Worrying for IPS guys out there" - what rubbish, anything but. Not worried at all.
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Precisely I agree I can’t see from the manual ( it’s so simple ) it can be an instal issue .
” Exhaust issue “ How , tell us how ?

The story you put out or the dock talk makes no sense .It’s convenient we both agree on that ?

Indicate as a experienced IPS lover and user how a duff handover could cause this catastrophic leak .

The boat I believe has been in the water a few weeks and done some early hours .It would have arrived by sea with a shed load of other boats from the U.K. and been dunked in Palma harbour .It did not plummet to the bottom from the crane .

I have been in mates IPS ERs and there’s just the G box oil stick at the back + an oil filter to “humanise “ .Neither of which have anything to do with potential water ingress if they are cocked up by a human .
Furthermore wouldn’t it have got its arse wet at the Ipswich facility?
 
really is no point in me guessing the exact issue, aside that you can be pretty sure it is a one off as what ever was the exact cause. Which would usually point to human error somewhere.

Regards
The IPS Lover
 
I do not want to press the issue but, but it is a lot of buts....

At the time someone told me he had photos of the boat showing the delamination at the yard, and if I wanted to publicize it in my blog.
My reply was that unless it came from the owner with a written consent I do not want it.
They also told me that this is not the first of the new Fairline's delaminating, and this was deemed to happen sooner or later.
Apparently it is was/also something common to the new 43/45

To be fair I have not seen any new Fairline delaminating , but last new Fairline we got locally was a 2014 T50.
I have seen some new Princess's with the issue as we got a couple of those new every year. But the thing with Princess is they cover it up very fast.

Resin Infusion is a very good way to build boats, but its problem is that it is easily prone to errors, whoever you are.
The way to get the error immediately is to build in transparent gel-coat, with this you can spot the resin starved areas immediately.
Not every boat builder is ready to do that, cause with transparent gel-coat then you have an extra job to do in painting the boat, and with paint your finish has to be better then ever cause it tends to show mould errors much easier. More hours to build the boat equals more cost, and not every bean counter in a company will take that with a smile.
 
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TonyR123 said:
really is no point in me guessing the exact issue, aside that you can be pretty sure it is a one off as what ever was the exact cause. Which would usually point to human error somewhere.

Regards
The IPS Lover
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Ok so we can’t exclude a delamination error of sorts ?
They are not made on robotised production lines.I think we all get the human involvement.
As a thought provoker Ferretti group do not use coloured gel,coat or chemicals for this very reason .
The modern Vac infusion ( with or without core ) if you use say a blue gel coat or even white it’s MORE difficult to detect flaws .
Sure like PYBs said every builder has wrestled with the new tech and had PR disasters .
FG paint all there modals throughout the range even Ferretti beige is sprayed on to hull moulding that’s been through quality control .Arguably if not transparent you can’t see the bubbles or evidence of poor infusion .

Theres the added failure system of the liner bond as well with Fairlines .Just how do you know the stuff has reached 100 % strength underneath? This is on top of the human errors one off unable to detect a lay up resin issues - see the bubbles.

Apparently with the clear FG hulls they do see issues despite best techniques and theses are rectified before it’s painted .
So they will never go back to coloured gel coats .

I would be happier if Fairline adopted a similar approach. Otherwise this “ one off human error “ could be a two of .

^^^ Adds another dimension to buying a new boat folks …..has it set correctly to the assumed strength ?
 
Portofino said:
Any flexing and = stress cracks .Now imaging a pair of pods tearing the hull in opposite directions as they azimuth in opposite directions at the command of the joystick by a new-by boat shy skipper , attempting to park it .
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But should not the electronic jump in and prevent this ? I would expect that when in park mode the joystick would only allow a bit of power to be pushed thru. Even if you would build thick as ever around the ips, unless you somewhat account for flexibility the stress will just be applied to other part of the boats.

I remember there was something with seakeeper systems, yes you could install them but when a wave comes from the side and the seakeeper is up and running, the hull will be subjected to a very large torsional energy, and crack after crack you weaken the boat.

The more I read all this the more the old shaft solution looks like the best one.
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Resin Infusion is a very good way to build boats, but its problem is that it is easily prone to errors
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Why, what can possibly go wrong...? :unsure: :p
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