Expired UK Passport?
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wonkywinch
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I don't know any countries that allow you in with an expired passport and if the UK require you to use your British passport to enter (right of abode) then so be it.
Many countries won't even let you in if your passport has less that 6 months to expiry.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10344/
Many countries won't even let you in if your passport has less that 6 months to expiry.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10344/
ylop
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I believe what is significant is that if you have a valid second passport which would ordinarily allow you to travel to the UK anyway (eg a French passport) you still cannot enter with that if your uk passport has expired.
Laser310
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so anyone with a valid french passport can enter the uk, except someone with a valid french passport and an expired uk passport?
that seems crazy...
what if i the individual is also a terrorist? that will probably get them in.
i am a us/british dual national, and if entering the us with an expired us passport, i would get additional questioning, but i would be admitted - or so i have heard...
but now i am reminded to check when i need a new british passport
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wonkywinch
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Simon Calder discusses these changes ...
Fr J Hackett
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Utter nonsense, My UK passport which I did renew after much debate 6 months ago will see me out for my declining number of trips to the UK and to be honest good riddance.
Graham376
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We've been waiting for Border Control to query wife's movements. She leaves UK on Portuguese passport but returns on UK one so she's arrived countless times but never shown leaving. Passports have different surnames.
ylop
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That’s my understanding but I’m one of the simple folk who are only entitled to one passport so I could be wrong!
Well with a French passport you can only come as a tourist but a British passport holder can come forever. So I can see why they are trying to close a loophole where people appear to have overstayed on one passport because they actually have a different right to be there.
I’m not sure I follow your logic - if you are on a terrorist watch list your movement is likely to be impeded whichever passport you have!
I’m not sure US immigration is the gold standard to aim for! Either for its “welcome” or its ability to keep people out you don’t want.
i assume you could relinquish your UK citizenship.
Fr J Hackett
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I am not sure what effect that would have on my UK state pension and the reciprocal S1 health agreement if any if none then it's probably something I would do.
westernman
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And what would the advantage of that be?
Genuine question.
Fr J Hackett
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That depends on the advantage of holding UK citizenship
Seastoke
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Fag packet uses it for pension and free nhs treatment , also got his name down for for an oap bungalow, for when he comes back to use his £250 pure cremation.
ylop
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Then you would not have the inconvenience of renewing your passport or nice every 10 yrs but could still visit the UK as a French tourist? I’ve no idea what else you give up in the process (like pensions) but then if you have a significant net gain you would perhaps not say “good riddance”!
Fr J Hackett
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Talking of pensions I have just opened this mornings mail one of which was from the DHSS and pensions informing me that they would not be paying my state pension because they had not received the proof of life form that they sent in September. Well I sent it back on the 13th of September and received an e mail in November telling me that it had been received and no further action was required. Fortunately I have retained a copy of the form which is winging its way back to them or will be on Monday when the post box is emptied.
Incompetent doesn't even come close all other pension providers long ago switched to an app using a live photograph but not the UK civil service.
Incompetent doesn't even come close all other pension providers long ago switched to an app using a live photograph but not the UK civil service.
billskip
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I got one of those...as it takes possible 5 weeks for post to get here from them and possible 5 weeks to get back, which appears to overrun the expiry date....I phoned them answered their questions and tickertyboo bobs you dad's brother...Talking of pensions I have just opened this mornings mail one of which was from the DHSS and pensions informing me that they would not be paying my state pension because they had not received the proof of life form that they sent in September. Well I sent it back on the 13th of September and received an e mail in November telling me that it had been received and no further action was required. Fortunately I have retained a copy of the form which is winging its way back to them or will be on Monday when the post box is emptied.
Incompetent doesn't even come close all other pension providers long ago switched to an app using a live photograph but not the UK civil service.
Fr J Hackett
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It was sent in September and they confirmed receipt by e mail. They will certainly be getting a phone call on Monday. This letter was sent on the 30th of December I had received the e mail late November.
ylop
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What does France do for its foreign nationals? Italy, Netherlands, Australia and some others all still require paper based forms for proof of life on their state pension arrangements for ex pats.Incompetent doesn't even come close all other pension providers long ago switched to an app using a live photograph but not the UK civil service.
Fr J Hackett
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No idea but I have two pensions from private companies both use an app to verify proof of life with live photographic response.
There are currently two threads running dealing with unnecessary bureaucracy coupled with incompetence trying to manage paperwork systems and being unable to manage electronic communication within government departments.
I am fortunate that it is a minor contribution to my finances but for others these mistakes and there are all to regularly too many of them typically within the benefits system for people living in the UK and totally dependant on them.
ylop
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1. By electing to live outside the UK you make the beaurocracy more complicated.
2. My point is that UK beaurocracy is no worse than many other countries. That doesn’t make it good but huffing and puffing about “the UK” being the problem shows a distinct lack of research.
3. I don’t know why private pensions are easier to satisfy but it’s probably that their rules were not set by parliament and they aren’t spending tax payers money.
4. I’m not sure which other thread you are referring to? Was it the self assessment one - that’s an example of the issues with trying to go fully digital!
ylop
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In all your years at work you never made a mistake? None of your other colleagues ever slipped up and sent the wrong template letter? That’s impressive - maybe your moniker is because you are holier than thou.
Most of the benefit systems have been digitised - are you sure you want your pension moved that way? I’m not the government so it’s not really my role to answer your vague claims of chaos in the benefits system - stuff does go wrong, sometimes in part because those on benefits might not always be the best people at sorting out their own admin/understanding processes/using technology. The reality actually in the UK, rather than whatever media version of the UK you are listening to is that most stuff actually does work! Of course a small % of stuff goes wrong, sometimes quite inexplicably, but anyone who tells you it never happens in their company/country is talking shite.