Experienced yachtsman denied entrance to Greece

He might find his praise of immigration misplaced as pretty sure Maltese residence does not allow free movement. Citizenship does, much to the annoyance of Brussels as they tend to hand it out to allsorts of characters in exchange for a bag of gold!
 
Yngmar said:
...18 minutes of whining and justifying not having done his homework properly, letting his licenses expire (for many years) and not reading about which ports in Greece are good and which bad to clear in. Entitlement and ignorance.
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yeah, but they're like Youtube vloggers... that means they're like... special; impotent people... like.
 
Tranona said:
He might find his praise of immigration misplaced as pretty sure Maltese residence does not allow free movement. Citizenship does, much to the annoyance of Brussels as they tend to hand it out to allsorts of characters in exchange for a bag of gold!
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If you are a resident of a Schengen country (such as Malta) you can freely travel to/from any other Schengen country (such as Greece).
As a 3rd country national, you are however still subject to the 90/180 days rule when you're outside the Schengen country that issued your residency permit.
 
Koeketiene said:
If you are a resident of a Schengen country (such as Malta) you can freely travel to/from any other Schengen country (such as Greece).
As a 3rd country national, you are however still subject to the 90/180 days rule when you're outside the Schengen country that issued your residency permit.
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Yes, I am aware of that, but this guy says that the Greek immigration says he is not subject to the third country restrictions. That is why I posted the comment.
 
There seem to be a number of YouTubers that seem to be avoiding the 90/180 rule, it’s not as if they are keeping a low profile, wilding sailing seems to have been in Netherlands well over 6 months so far, not sure how
 
Daverw said:
There seem to be a number of YouTubers that seem to be avoiding the 90/180 rule, it’s not as if they are keeping a low profile, wilding sailing seems to have been in Netherlands well over 6 months so far, not sure how
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He was in EU on B day - from what I recall. If he played his paperwork cards right, he should be ok (French residence?).
 
I thought that to retain residency you had to be in the country for certain periods of time, he was sailing down to the med then onto Spain, then back to uk?
 
dankilb said:
He was in EU on B day - from what I recall. If he played his paperwork cards right, he should be ok (French residence?).
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He could stay in France without a problem if he did apply for residence. I imagine it would help avoid problems in other countries but not a total solution as there's still a 90/180 day problem. I know that you need to present your residence card in Greece to avoid having your passport stamped. The border officials still want to see the passport but don't stamp it. Moving around Schengen area should not result in a passport stamp after that, though the 90/180 rule applies outside Greece. I think you could arrive in Italy and argue you were travelling to Greece to similarly avoid a passport stamp.

The residence card helps as it's unlikely anyone will discover an overstay easily but doesn't make it legal. A different story if your passport is scanned and in a database rather than a physical stamp.
 
BobnLesley said:
yeah, but they're like Youtube vloggers... that means they're like... special; impotent people... like.
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They need a drama, with a clickbait headline and some element of jeopardy otherwise nobody will watch "American couple sail to Greece and spend the morning doing paperwork". If nobody watches, their income dries up. The only way to avoid this is to be doing amazing, interesting stuff, preferably that others have not done (or vlogged) before with great videography, or go down the bikini-clad sailer "market".
 
@Koeketiene @Tranona .... I watched the YouTube video and he seemed to believe that because he had visa free access to other Schengen countries due to his Maltese residency, he also could stay in other Schengen countries for more than 90/180. This is false and is clearly stated here, under the question "What are the travel freedoms allowed for Schengen Zone?"

https://www.ccmalta.com/malta-residency-visa-programme

Investors that attain a Malta residence permit through this program will not require a Schengen Visa to travel to other Schengen Area countries for short stays of no more than 90 days in an 180-day period. As a result, obtaining a Europe golden visa through Malta can make it significantly easier for business professionals from outside of the EU to do business in all 26 Schengen countries. Malta residence permit holders can travel to the following countries without the need to apply for a European travel visa: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lichenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.
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He turned up with two expired licenses, insurance that doesn't include the Greek Liability Certificate (which GJW supplied as part of my policy documentation as this is a well known problem) and he seems to think residency in Malta will allow him to ignore the Schengen 90/180 rules. Pretty pi$$ poor research and planning for someone who has been cruising for so long.

Looking forward to the YouTube episode titled "Fined and expelled from Schengen Area" 🤣 🤣 🤣 ... that's just my German Schadenfreude coming out, but seriously he ought to do his research better - but maybe it was all done as clickbait? Who knows ....
 
Daverw said:
Assume coming back the uk and then returning would trigger a passport stamp
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Not necessarily, it depends on your means of travel.

As a rule a passport stamp is essential when leaving or entering Schengen as it is the best form of proof that the 90/180 rule hasn't been broken.

A stamp is normally automatic if you enter and exit through an airport, ferry terminal or Eurostar where a person with a stamp inspects your passport, but it is obviously possible to sail your own boat in and out of Schengen under the radar with no stamps - it is the responsibility of the skipper to inform the relevant authorities of arrival and departure and request passport stamps.

My UK passport was checked and found to have a missing entry stamp on my way back to the UK via Munich Airport, fortunately I have dual UK/German citizenship so it didn't matter - the point being they checked every page of my UK passport for entry/exit stamps.
 
Baggywrinkle said:
. Pretty pi$$ poor research and planning for someone who has been cruising for so long.
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have they? I don’t follow them particularly - but I’ve watched some episodes in the past. My recollection was they were ex-super yacht people, who spent years refitting a boat, did a bit of US chartered skipper work but this was their first time sailing their own boat to Europe?

The internet should mean this sort of research is much easier than it would have been 30 years ago… but actually there so much fine detail/nuance/misinformation that it might actually make it worse!
 
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