Expensive day out

[LittleSister]

Indeed, every group has a minority of pillocks. I'm sure we've all seen some under sail too!

'Tis true, but some groups have a majority of pillocks in addition to their minority!

 

[justanothersailboat]

Odd direction for the debate given that we are mainly recreational boaters of one sort or another. Trying to make the point that someone's use of a PWC (or motorbike for that matter) is to be condemned because it has no useful purpose begs the question of what use is a sailing yacht or cabin cruiser? Perhaps we should all campaign to have ourselves banned!

I don't think that's the point. A yacht can be, and usually is, enjoyed without spoiling anyone else's enjoyment of anything. A jetski cannot; literally its only use is to bring ghastly noise and an aggressive claim to exclusive use of space - backed by a threat of danger - to what would otherwise be a peaceful day on the water. The only way it can avoid imposing on others is to leave it turned off and out of sight, ideally in a scrapyard crusher.

Anyway I am violently against the over-valuing of practical utility; we should aim to do as much as we can of that which is splendid, and as much as we have to of that which is merely useful. That's why we buy un-useful sailing yachts in the first place. A "PWC" is neither useful or splendid so it can be straightforwardly condemned.

 

[Pete7]

Isn’t Weymouth the last place God made, to use up the leftovers?

Well we had to share the Cove with another yacht in September. The trick is go after the schools have gone back

 

[johnalison]

Well we had to share the Cove with another yacht in September. The trick is go after the schools have gone back

It’s not been the same since Flood’s restaurant closed, but I did have a nice plate of faggots somewhere on the front. I’d love to have seen it when the railway ran along the harbour.

 

[Pete7]

It’s not been the same since Flood’s restaurant closed, but I did have a nice plate of faggots somewhere on the front. I’d love to have seen it when the railway ran along the harbour.

You Tube to the rescue. Can't imagine being able to do that today and through a boat yard with yachts lifted out too.

Pete

 

[RivalRedwing]

As a nipper I travelled on that a couple of times in the late '70s, then ferry to the Channel Isles as I recall. Also did the same on the Folkestone-Buologne boat train and then onwards to Italy by sleeper. My father worked on the railways so that's how we went on holiday too!

 

[johnalison]

As a nipper I travelled on that a couple of times in the late '70s, then ferry to the Channel Isles as I recall. Also did the same on the Folkestone-Buologne boat train and then onwards to Italy by sleeper. My father worked on the railways so that's how we went on holiday too!

We used to go skiing via Dover/Folkstone-Calais/Boulogne and sleeper to Switzerland, which was always very exciting but not the boat train. I first went to Weymouth in 2001 and so missed the train but really enjoyed the film. I think I can begin to see why the service stopped. It would have been quicker for the passengers to get out and walk. There was a train that went to the ferry dock in Dieppe when we first sailed there, and that also went alongside the road but to less comic effect. Another train going through a town street is the Molli narrow-gauge railway that goes to Bad Doberan in Germany, which we really enjoyed doing.

 

[Biggles Wader]

Very Last Train to Folkstone Harbour - Bing video

Over ten years ago and very different now.

 

[Blueboatman]

I don't think that's the point. A yacht can be, and usually is, enjoyed without spoiling anyone else's enjoyment of anything. A jetski cannot; literally its only use is to bring ghastly noise and an aggressive claim to exclusive use of space - backed by a threat of danger - to what would otherwise be a peaceful day on the water. The only way it can avoid imposing on others is to leave it turned off and out of sight, ideally in a scrapyard crusher.

Anyway I am violently against the over-valuing of practical utility; we should aim to do as much as we can of that which is splendid, and as much as we have to of that which is merely useful. That's why we buy un-useful sailing yachts in the first place. A "PWC" is neither useful or splendid so it can be straightforwardly condemned.

Yup
I detest them pretty much . Bang bang noise whoosh more noise bang crash . And repeat
Yawn .

Look at me now mummy ! Daddy look! ?
Yada yada

A simple 1mile exclusion zone from any shore line would probably fix it, safely and considerately …

 

[Capt Popeye]

Yup
I detest them pretty much . Bang bang noise whoosh more noise bang crash . And repeat
Yawn .

Look at me now mummy ! Daddy look! ?
Yada yada

A simple 1mile exclusion zone from any shore line would probably fix it, safely and considerately …

Yes well , surely not a safe thing to do , a mile exclusion zone ; we have a sort of one down ere on the River Teign ; one young fella lost his life , partly because I fear , he was off shore and not riding wihin the sheltered harbour ; just maybe the new (still relatively new anyway ?) harbour master will think on it and arrange for a Jet Ski and Speedboat are up river out of the actual Harbour ; we already have a Water Ski specified area , up river , so just maybe the specified area can accomodate both or all three activities , safely ? : that could also relieve the main launching facility at Polly Steps , as up river at Coombe Cellars is relatively quiet , by comparison

With I trecon Yachting /Sailing not becomming taken up by as many did , earlier in this centuary , just perhaps Jet Sking will really take off, like the Paddle Bords are ?

 

[Capt Popeye]

I don't think that's the point. A yacht can be, and usually is, enjoyed without spoiling anyone else's enjoyment of anything. A jetski cannot; literally its only use is to bring ghastly noise and an aggressive claim to exclusive use of space - backed by a threat of danger - to what would otherwise be a peaceful day on the water. The only way it can avoid imposing on others is to leave it turned off and out of sight, ideally in a scrapyard crusher.

Anyway I am violently against the over-valuing of practical utility; we should aim to do as much as we can of that which is splendid, and as much as we have to of that which is merely useful. That's why we buy un-useful sailing yachts in the first place. A "PWC" is neither useful or splendid so it can be straightforwardly condemned.

A yacht you state is enjoyed enjoyed without spoling anyone else's enjoymant of anything , you do jest kind Sr ; what about them fast racing yachts /dinghys who insist on shouting were racing plus claiming the Coregs at peacefull Motor Boaters , who are going about their way's peacefully ?

 

[KevinV]

It seems to me that you can take offence at, be upset by or have your enjoyment ruined by just about anything if you so choose. Yes, the noise of jetskis is unpleasant to me too, but others could get just as annoyed with sailors zig-zagging all over the place with their special treatment under colregs, or gin palaces burning huge amounts of fossil fuel just so their owners can drink gin away from the plebs, or healthy young people on the beach showing up how far the rest of us have fallen.
We share the place, within the rules, and getting upset is a choice - live and let live, it's much better for the blood pressure, and ultimately one's own enjoyment.

 

[Biggles Wader]

It seems to me that you can take offence at, be upset by or have your enjoyment ruined by just about anything if you so choose. Yes, the noise of jetskis is unpleasant to me too, but others could get just as annoyed with sailors zig-zagging all over the place with their special treatment under colregs, or gin palaces burning huge amounts of fossil fuel just so their owners can drink gin away from the plebs, or healthy young people on the beach showing up how far the rest of us have fallen.
We share the place, within the rules, and getting upset is a choice - live and let live, it's much better for the blood pressure, and ultimately one's own enjoyment.

Far too reasonable. Take a miserable old fart pill right now!

 

[Chiara’s slave]

It seems to me that you can take offence at, be upset by or have your enjoyment ruined by just about anything if you so choose. Yes, the noise of jetskis is unpleasant to me too, but others could get just as annoyed with sailors zig-zagging all over the place with their special treatment under colregs, or gin palaces burning huge amounts of fossil fuel just so their owners can drink gin away from the plebs, or healthy young people on the beach showing up how far the rest of us have fallen.
We share the place, within the rules, and getting upset is a choice - live and let live, it's much better for the blood pressure, and ultimately one's own enjoyment.

I reckon most of us are like that when on the water. we look at each other, thinking ‘oh no, it’s the Essex Navy’, contemplate a design for an official burgee for them etc, but generally, once they’re past, any annoyance dies away. You just learn to avoid places with particularly imbecilic groups of them. We have a large visiting group, but they're all old gits, they tie up at the RIB pontoon and go to Saltys for lunch. Hi guys, if you’re reading! No idea how far they’ve come, but no different to any group of motor boaters.

 

[Blueboatman]

Yes well , surely not a safe thing to do , a mile exclusion zone ; we have a sort of one down ere on the River Teign ; one young fella lost his life , partly because I fear , he was off shore and not riding wihin the sheltered harbour ; just maybe the new (still relatively new anyway ?) harbour master will think on it and arrange for a Jet Ski and Speedboat are up river out of the actual Harbour ; we already have a Water Ski specified area , up river , so just maybe the specified area can accomodate both or all three activities , safely ? : that could also relieve the main launching facility at Polly Steps , as up river at Coombe Cellars is relatively quiet , by comparison

With I trecon Yachting /Sailing not becomming taken up by as many did , earlier in this centuary , just perhaps Jet Sking will really take off, like the Paddle Bords are ?

That makes sense though regrettably it’s a river I have never visited..

I think my reservations about these things are that generally most forms of transport move from A to B so the noise banging back off the hills/waves/airborne exhaust impacts everyone within a far flung acoustic range … but you know that A is moving to B and will pass ..

With a lot of jet skies they want to be seen round and round and so forth and back again they go ..and repeat . Jumpingbtheir own wake or anyone else’s they see..more bang whoosh…

it’s the same with billy big bore in his tricked out hatchback, round and round the town he goes …

It was of course different when we ( I ) had mopeds , motorbikes , seagull outboards on a early morning silent creek!
Harumph ?
I like your description of designated ‘ high impact ‘ zones ..?

 

[lustyd]

With a lot of jet skies they want to be seen round and round and so forth and back again they go

I guarantee that they don't even care that you exist, let alone whether you're looking at them. They will be completely lost in the moment and enjoying life

 

[Blueboatman]

I guarantee that they don't even care that you exist, let alone whether you're looking at them. They will be completely lost in the moment and enjoying life

Oh good for them
You are probably right too ?

 

[Stemar]

The trouble with any solution for jetskis short of an RPG is that, most of the time, it will only affect the well behaved ones.

Having said that, I'm totally in favour of giving them a section of water where they can have their fun and we can keep out of their way, and strict speed limits inshore elsewhere, especially in recognised anchorages.

 

[johnalison]

They tend not to be best pleased if you point a camera at them when they are charging along in a speed limited zone.

 

[Capt Popeye]

I guarantee that they don't even care that you exist, let alone whether you're looking at them. They will be completely lost in the moment and enjoying life

WoW thats a very good sales Selling point then , 'lost in the moment and enjoying life ' , cripes just hope that them yachties are if the same mood ? Oh wait a mo , surely them Yachties are becalmed due to lack of wind , plus reluctant to use their engine , caus them really want Colregs to allow them passage

Oh BGR cannot win in this senario , eh ?