Ensigns again

In that case, no worries. Dutch army is even more poor. Navy guys got gun without bullets, army people not even guns........

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hehehe.... Tom, I think the Scots and the Dutch might share the same rare gene (the cheap one). But you knew that already, right?

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Oh dear

I wasn't asking why we British vessels are required to fly the various ensigns. Please re-read my posts. The question related to the law on courtesy flags. Have you found a rule that requires visiting vessels to fly the red ensign as a courtesy flag?

I must say I've read and re-read the various Merchant Shipping Acts in the past on the subject of flags, have had many discussions on Scuttlebutt on this subject, and can assure you it's not in any of those Acts. On what basis do you believe that the red ensign is the "correct" version as a courtesy flag for all visiting vessels. There must be a source for your assumption.

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How many more times?

<On what basis do you believe that the red ensign is the "correct" version as a courtesy flag for all visiting vessels. There must be a source for your assumption.>

I repeat what I posted earlier – “It is customary, but not obligatory, when lying in a foreign port to fly the maritime ensign of the country being visited, as a mark of courtesy.”

The Merchant Shipping Act establishes that the British maritime ensign is the Red Ensign.

So, it would seem that it is customary, but not obligatory, for foreign visitors to fly the Red Ensign as a courtesy flag.

If you disagree that’s fine, but I’ve answered your question as to why CUSTOM dictates the red as a courtesy flag. You won't find legislation for it anywhere.


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I hope I am following this correctly BrettH.....Does this help?

At first, the colonists used the flags of their homeland. This flag was the navy "Jack" flag. The colonists were proud of it because England used it when it won so many sea battles.



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No, I'm afraid I have to really spell this out: my question is where your source is for your bald statement:

“It is customary, but not obligatory, when lying in a foreign port to fly the maritime ensign of the country being visited, as a mark of courtesy."

What authority do you have for use of the word "maritime" here? Do we just have to take your word for it?

I think that you have agreed that a courtesy flag is not obligatory. International practise gives vessels some flexibility as to which they should choose in other countries. So what is your authority for thinking think that Britain is so up-tight?

I am sorry to be so persistent, but don't like to see rudeness towards guests unless there is a really solid reason for it.

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Thanks for your help, but I think that's a different can of worms.
Don't you just love these ensign threads?

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<"It is customary, but not obligatory, when lying in a foreign port to fly the maritime ensign of the country being visited, as a mark of courtesy."
What authority do you have for use of the word "maritime" here? Do we just have to take your word for it? >

You don't have to take my word for it. I quoted word for word from the Royal Yachting Association book "Flags and Visual Signals"

Carry on your argument with them, I’m bored with it now.


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Makes a change...

...last time they came up the Thames, and weren't very courteous at all.

Actually, if four of them have parked in Brighton marina, they've probably blown the Dutch defence budget on one cruise

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Re: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear

Well, yes, it is a boring subject in the first place. But I find it irritating that discourtesy is shown to visitors for no good reason.

Thanks for letting me know the source for your idea. It would be interesting to know where they got it from. I wouldn't put much store by it, especially as it is strictly speaking demonstrably wrong (for example, pilot books and universal practise require in some cases the flying of a courtesy flag other than the "national" flag, whether maritime or not - the Aland Islands is one case that springs to mind, not a separate nation).

In any event, as there are no rules on the matter, only arguable custom, flexibility and courtesy should be shown towards visitors. If they like for example, when visiting Scotland it should be entirely appropriate to fly the Saltire.



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Actually this brings to mind the war of Jenkin's ear, still pains me to think of it.

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- Nick

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Acshully I screwed this one up the war of Jenkin's Ear had nothing to do with the Anglo Dutch war's but was beating up the spanish



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You should also look at the absolute legality of a ship, other than HMS, wearing a Union Flag, which is reserved exclusively for HM ships (sic Admiralty Manual)

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So you failed your 'O' level Latin as well!!!!

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Illegal since C17, but most recent enactment seems to be: -
Merchant Shipping (Registration, etc.) Act 1993 (c. 22) S2 and S3


I remember an incident some years ago, when it was reported that a police launch, on the Broads, insisted that a Briads Cruiser remove a child's toy Union Flag. That did create some comment. At the level of pedantry, it does seem that the UK Olymic boats may have transgressed!

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