Chiara’s slave
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I’m not wrong, we are just talking at crossed purposes. I didn't mention defacement, deliberately. The Sussex Motor Yacht club is the only non Royal or services club to wear the undefaced blue.
Ensign?
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Mister E
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I just can't be bothered it just seems another method for someone to say your doing it wrong.
Even the thing of wearing is pretentious.
Even the thing of wearing is pretentious.
Chiara’s slave
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It’s also the law if outside territorial waters.
Neeves
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doug748
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Indeed. Thanks for that, I did not know that the BBC selected our standard bearers.
Here is Ms Muller in action:
I don't think I will be placing a bet. She already seems to be singing with one eye cocked for people throwing things.
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clyst
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Here goes ....... im proud to wear / Fly the Blue Ensign .
Tranona
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Yes, Solent thing. There is a big world out there - even in the UK.
john_morris_uk
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If you mean using the word ‘wearing’ is pretentious, then where does that stop? There are good reasons for using lots of nautical terms, but does referring to the galley or heads instead of kitchen and toilet sound pretentious to you too?
Wearing is just the correct term. I’m not going to ever get upset by someone who say hoists or flying or whatever term they fancy when referring to their ensign.
Anyway, and as others have said, having one on your boat is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT when you’re in foreign waters.
As a teenager might say, “Get over it”.
I appreciate that I was born into a privileged country but that doesn’t stop me being proud of the UK and proud to wear the appropriate ensign on my boat.
KeithMD
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I've seen a few neighbouring civilian boats flying Blue Ensigns in Plymouth. Mostly ex-RN types that used to be employed round the corner in Devonport, or are in the Royal Naval Reserve perhaps? Most are flying "plain" Blue Ensigns - I can't recall seeing any defaced ones.
Perhaps some can claim to have ancestral rights to be in the Scottish Navy Reserve and fly this one.
Perhaps some can claim to have ancestral rights to be in the Scottish Navy Reserve and fly this one.
Aeolus
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That's rather unsporting, don't you think?
Welcome to perfidious Albion
Goldie
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As you suggest, many of these could be Royal Naval Sailing Association members but equally, the Royal Western Yacht Club is based at QAB and I’m pretty sure, members are entitled to wear the undefeated blue S o no surprise that there are plenty of undefeated blue to be seen in Plymouth.
Fr J Hackett
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I am surprised as there are two "Royal" yacht clubs in Plymouth both having defaced blue ensigns, I was a member of one.
laika
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"in foreign waters" or entering and leaving a foreign port?
boomerangben
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I think protesting by not wearing an ensign says more about your attitude to your country than to the Monarchy.
The British I think, are unusually staid in their use of flags in general and it is pleasure to travel through other countries where people put their country before politics and fly their national flags at every opportunity and even just at home on an every day basis. The scandiwegians are good at it, the Americans, Australians, Europe. The problem is the politicians in the uk, especially the SNP, and right wing English seem to politicise the national flags for their own ends.
LEAVE FLAGS AND ENSIGNS OUT OF POLITICS. THEY BELONG TO THE NATION AND SHOULD BE USED TO UNIFY, NOT DIVIDE.
sorry for the shouty bit.
The British I think, are unusually staid in their use of flags in general and it is pleasure to travel through other countries where people put their country before politics and fly their national flags at every opportunity and even just at home on an every day basis. The scandiwegians are good at it, the Americans, Australians, Europe. The problem is the politicians in the uk, especially the SNP, and right wing English seem to politicise the national flags for their own ends.
LEAVE FLAGS AND ENSIGNS OUT OF POLITICS. THEY BELONG TO THE NATION AND SHOULD BE USED TO UNIFY, NOT DIVIDE.
sorry for the shouty bit.
dgadee
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You need to do a bit of reading. Here's one suggestion: Worth Dying For: The Power and Politics of Flags - from the author of the global bestseller Prisoners of Geography: Amazon.co.uk: Tim Marshall: 9781783962815: Books
The crew has her Scots ensign and no one abroad bothers about it all (except the English who pointedly never mention it at all). They might ask which country but they all assume Scotland is a country on its own anyway. Portuguese coastguard began to tell us about his visit to Edinburgh after asking. They will see so many different UK based flags (and ones from dodgy tax avoiding islands) that they could never know which was valid and which wasn't.
KeithMD
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There's a Scottish Red Ensign as well.
Scottish Red Ensign
Made in Yorkshire - which makes me wonder if there's also a Yorkshire Ensign?
Scottish Red Ensign
Made in Yorkshire - which makes me wonder if there's also a Yorkshire Ensign?
Chiara’s slave
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Not a solent thing. Your lot fly a defaced ensign. The blue ensign, not defaced, is for Royal clubs. And as I say, not suited to anti monarchists.
Chiara’s slave
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If I were Scottish I’d have that. Not sure it’s legal for overseas yet, but great for UK waters
dgadee
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Legal or not, we have flown it all the way from Belfast to Lesvos. My crew would have no other.
Chiara’s slave
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And if I were Scottish I’d probably think the same. Legal or not. And as if anyone cares enough to stop you.
