english term is needed

PaulRainbow said:
Wests may have waists, but the mark you describe is an East cardinal, which does indeed mean the danger is to the West, as you pass to the East of an East marker.

I'm sure you know all of that, but your post is a bit confused by talking of West marks, then describing an East mark and it's purpose.
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I'm glad you said that Paul. I was frying my brain trying to get a handle on what was being described. :o

Richard
 
p435: it's obvious to an english speaker (and quite possibly to you, too), but wouldn't necessarily translate as such. So just to be sure: N, S, E and W are known as "cardinal points" on the compass. The usage was borrowed from that to also describing navigation marks referencing those same points.
 
Scala said:
I'm a somewhat amazed that this needs any discussion at all on a boating forum....
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Quandary said:
But, but, but; How are we going to confuse him then?
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RichardS said:
..... although it is the kind of discussion I would expect to find on a knitting forum. :o Richard
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bitbaltic said:
+1
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Having said that, if airing it here means one person now understands this, then it was worth it. So maybe I was a bit snarky....
 
bitbaltic said:
Forums (even- maybe especially- this one) aren’t the best place to learn the basics though.
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Deciphering and describing what a cardinal mark looks like and what it marks is, I would suggest, one of the "basics". Apparently there are many here who are apparently incapable of that requirement, and that appears to include even persons who really should know better.
 
bitbaltic said:
Forums (even- maybe especially- this one) aren’t the best place to learn the basics though.
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PuffTheMagicDragon said:
Deciphering and describing what a cardinal mark looks like and what it marks is, I would suggest, one of the "basics". Apparently there are many here who are apparently incapable of that requirement, and that appears to include even persons who really should know better.
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Indeed.
 
p435 said:
Thanks to all for the English term and the "buoy" and "mark" discussion.
Very helpfull!
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The online explanation indicated by 'knuterikt' is helpful, but there's more. What is being described is a 'shorthand' or contracted explanation.
Originally, there were 'daymarks' - typically built on headlands to mark a prominent navigational feature, often close to a harbour entrance. 'Lots Wife' pillar at Baltimore Harbour is a good example, and there were 'seamarks' - typically placed on or near underwater hazards or to define a navigable channel. A confusingly wide range of 30-odd designs and shapes were simplified and 'harmonized' by international agreement into the IALA Maritime System(s) of Buoyage.

IALA is primarily known for the IALA Maritime Buoyage Systems or sea mark systems that are used in the pilotage of vessels at sea:[2]

Lateral marks indicate the edges of a channel.
Cardinal marks indicate the direction of safe water at a dangerous spot.

Safe water marks indicate the deep water and open end of a channel.
Special marks indicate administrative areas, such as speed restrictions or water skiing areas.
Isolated danger marks indicate a hazard to shipping.

Emergency Wreck Marking Buoy : a new buoy introduced in 2006, marking a new wreck. It replaces the double cardinal or lateral marks (IALA Recommendation O-133).
Each type of mark has a distinctive colour, shape and possibly a characteristic light.
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https://tinyurl.com/y8u2klag
 
bitbaltic said:
Forums (even- maybe especially- this one) aren’t the best place to learn the basics though.
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In an ideal world, everyone would do a Day Skipper course before venturing on the water, but lots don't. I don't care how basic it is, if I can help someone learn or understand something, I regard that as a good thing. It's one less piece of ignorance that might kill them one day. Likewise, I've learned a lot of pretty basic things here and elsewhere which, I hope, have made me a safer sailor

Whenever I've taught anything, one of the first things I say to my students is "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask, because you stay ignorant, and that is stupid"
 
Scala said:
Yes that was where I landed with this, really. Surprised that people might not know, but a good thing that they asked. Even if it's a bit off topic from the OP's question!
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Has there been a single post (other than Seajet's uncharacteristic senior moment) which even hinted at people not knowing? Or needed, as bitbaltic put it, schooling in "the basics"?
 
bitbaltic said:
Forums (even- maybe especially- this one) aren’t the best place to learn the basics though.
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It is not about basics of sailing. It was about a term in language different to my mother tongue. But maybe some of later post are written by people fluent in many languages. I am not. I only speak 3 languages beside my mother tongue and don't feel ashamed to ask for a word I cannot find in a several dictionaries.
 
p435 said:
It is not about basics of sailing. It was about a term in language different to my mother tongue. But maybe some of later post are written by people fluent in many languages. I am not. I only speak 3 languages beside my mother tongue and don't feel ashamed to ask for a word I cannot find in a several dictionaries.
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Point very much accepted.
 
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