engine size not as advertised..

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I'm betting that there wouldn't be the same kind of conciliatory tone if we were talking about a car dealer here, say if the OP had ordered a 2 litre engined car and the dealer actually supplied a 1.6 litre one:eek:
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That's a bit different, as presumably if you'd ordered a 2.0 you'd also have paid for a 2.0. also, you don't order 2nd hand things.

The OP clearly knows the market availability for these boats and as per my post above, since you cannot force the seller to reduce the price your options are accept it, re-negotiate or ask for your deposit back (which I agree you would have a right to do). If the dealer delivered a 1.6 as in your example above you also be able to reject it.

The thing is, maybe the boat is already a really good price and ok, now its not as brilliant a deal but perhaps still the best around.
 
Tranona said:
However, suggesting he is paying over the odds on the basis of the information given is just wrong.
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In this context, I'd call a suggestion like that unsubstantiated, rather than necessarily wrong.
But I actually can't read that suggestion anywhere in jrudge post - as I understand, he's only making a point on the material difference of the deal, which is something so obviously true that it doesn't deserve any further comment.
Btw, ozzie said in his OP that the 300 "is what he wanted ideally", hence his reason for posting the thread, to start with..

Now, whether the deal is still good enough for him or not, and what course of action to take (if any) because of the misdescription, that's not something anyone of us can evaluate, not knowing all the details - price being the most important: for all we know, it could still be a steal also for a boat with the 260s.

But since he asked whether it makes any difference, my personal guess is not much.
I mean, I fully agree with all those who suggested that there is a material difference in value, also in view of future re-saleability - and in this respect, we are back to the point where only the OP can decide whether the deal is still a good one.
But based on a look I had at the boat specs, I think that the 260 engines should be good enough for her - and she would neither become a speed nor an acceleration demon with the 300s anyway...
From a technical viewpoint, rather than focusing on the (small) power difference, in ozzie's boots I'd rather be curious to hear from Volvopaul or some other engine guru whether there's any reliability difference between the 260 and the 300.
Sometimes, going for the highest power version of the very same lump of iron, just because it's available, is not necessarily a wise choice...
 
In all honesty I didn't go out to look for a boat with the 300s, this boat just happened to be listed with them. Unfortunately there is only one other MC37 for sale in this country, a year newer and £50k dearer, so I would still have wanted her even if she was listed with 260s in the first place. I still have the get out clause, if she doesn't perform as expected I get my deposit back. My first thought was to chip them on price, but I feel that they have been very fair with the boat price, part ex price on my boat and sorting out some of the cosmetics which I wasn't expecting.
 
ozzie said:
In all honesty I didn't go out to look for a boat with the 300s, this boat just happened to be listed with them. Unfortunately there is only one other MC37 for sale in this country, a year newer and £50k dearer, so I would still have wanted her even if she was listed with 260s in the first place. I still have the get out clause, if she doesn't perform as expected I get my deposit back. My first thought was to chip them on price, but I feel that they have been very fair with the boat price, part ex price on my boat and sorting out some of the cosmetics which I wasn't expecting.
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If you're happy, that's all that counts.
 
Double Vision said:
Isn't a D4 300 a chipped 260? The broker might be glad to pay for a bit of re-mapping?
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I have a feeling its a bit more than a chip - I think the 225Hp to 260Hp was just electronics but I seem to remember (perhaps VP or Spannerman) someone suggesting that the 300 had a bigger turbo and extra/different cooling.

I could of course be completely wrong
 
Read the small print on any boat advert and it states the buyer is to satisfy himself that the spec is true by means of survey etc.
I'm amazed one of the biggest boat dealers in the UK can write a spec wrong on there own stock boat!! Unless of course someone had there pants down with the trade in!
 
As MapisM says, the block which has had 11/10 wrung out of it isn't necessarily the best one to have anyway. If it does what you want and you're happy with it, it's the right one.

The whole thing about boats is a waste of money... right up until you look at the joy it gives you.
 
ozzie said:
I feel that they have been very fair with [...] part ex price on my boat
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See? That's another important component of the deal that none of us can evaluate, based on what you told us so far.
All the best for the sea trial. My bet is that you won't be disappointed, but keep us posted on your impressions! :)
 
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Thanks Tesams, I will pm you. I will post results of sea trial and hopefully with some pictures. Whilst I was investigating the engine size I found that they are subject to a recall notice for replacement elbows. Broker is trying to get this done before the sea trial. Another tick for good service!
 
Could you let me know how you discovered they needed a recall? I have d4 260 in my boat and it would be good to check if it is up to date.
 
I went onto volvopenta.com, then on the left hand menu click on "find my engine". You then need to enter your engine number and the notice will pop up. Easy!!
 
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