Engine instrumentation upgrade ( long post )

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Some time ago I decided to upgrade my traditional engine instrumentation to a more modern setup. Clicking on images gets you a full sized piccie





In the original installation the instruments were down behind the helmsmans right calf, not the ideal place to keep watch on the engine perameters.

The original instruments were suspect, the temperature gauge was unreliable and the fuel gauge did not work.

The instrument lighting did not work.

The wiring behind the panel was open to the lazarette.

The wiring had been added to, modified and had redundant cables in the loom.

The wiring was stiff, insulation cracked and over 23 years diesel and engine oil had migrated some 5m from the engine room to the back of the panel via the braided harness cover making the whole lot a nightmare to work on.

I had already purchased a Raymarine e-80 for installation in a pod at the helm. These units are compatible with the J-1989 ( canbus ) engine instrumentation system and can display the data on a screen at the push of a button. Going for canbus seemed to be a logical step.

My 1/4 century old Perkins 4-108 had obviously never been the target of electronic instrumentation so the next project was to find a method of converting the traditional engine sensors, coolant temperature, oil pressure, revs, exhaust temperature and the fuel level to a compatible digital signal.
CANtronik makes the perfect box of tricks for this, their CCIM module is engineered for use in marine and harsh environments and is designed to sit in engine compartments and perform exactly the task required. They also make a compatible engine display with graphic capabilities. i decided that using a separate display to the e-80 would be sensible since the engine perameters would always be on display even if the e-980 was off, watching radar or some other just 'busy elsewhere'. Canbus is a multi tap 2 wire bus so wiring the e-80 into the bus would offer a handy backup to the dedicated display.

I had to acquire software packages from CANtronik to allow configuration and setup of the CCIM unit.

The donk did not have an oil pressure sender relying on just a low oil pressure switch so I had to source a compatible sender unit.


All the sensors were wired to the CCIM was the first task and then the calibration process was started.

The resistance curve for the temperature sensor was plotted using a kettle and thermometer.

The oil pressure and exhaust senders data came from the manufacturers web sites.

The fuel gauge float sender was removed from the tank and physically measured. An interesting point here was the ability to match the tank level data to the profile of the actual tank which is rhomboid in section.

The rev input was solved quickly using a PC based oscilloscope connected to a laptop to accurately measure the signals from the tacho output of the alternator. Initially I had intended to use a hall effect sensor on the flywheel but why complicate matters?

While I was at it I added a water flow switch to the primary cooling intake, upgraded the indicator lights and changed to a simple keyswitch start circuit.

The resulting 'engine control section'



All that remains to be done now is to mould a blanking plate for the old instrument recess with a recessed housing for the engine stop handle. I may also be able to tuck the EPIRB into the recess, keeping it accessible but out of harms way.

The completed binnacle with e-80, Autopilot control head and engine display. On the bottom left is the control pad for a forward looking sonar system. An excellent toy for getting right up to the beach or a jetty!



Just visible on the bottom right of the binnacle ( right next to the blue wheel rim ) is a 4 position switch. Once the nav light circuit breaker is switched on the 4 positions of this switch automatically select, Sailing nav lights ( mast head LED tricolour ), Steaming nav lights ( traditional lights and mast white ), anchor light ( LED ) or auto-on anchor light ( controlled by a light sensitive switch )

The other switches control deck and cockpit lights, AIS transmit mode and other bits and bobs.

Please PM me if you are interested in doing something like this.
 
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You sure like your electronics.

I'd be interested in doing the engine data display - oil pressure, water temp , revs and maybe charge / duscharge rate. If only because I'd like to know how it can be done and how canbus works.

Incidentally, I have an NMEA problem - NMEA from a Raymarine plotter not being recognised by a Simrad pilot. Wiring is correct so its an issue of the precise form / timing of the sentence I want the plotter to use. Unfortunately the form of the Raymarine output isnt podify-able so I need some sort of intermediary box. Any ideas?
 
You sure like your electronics.

The more the merrier :)

I'd be interested in doing the engine data display - oil pressure, water temp , revs and maybe charge / duscharge rate. If only because I'd like to know how it can be done and how canbus works.

Pretty simple really. The challenge only really lies in getting all the data together and programming up the CCIM box. I could do the programming bit for you for a small consideration :)


Incidentally, I have an NMEA problem - NMEA from a Raymarine plotter not being recognised by a Simrad pilot. Wiring is correct so its an issue of the precise form / timing of the sentence I want the plotter to use. Unfortunately the form of the Raymarine output isnt podify-able so I need some sort of intermediary box. Any ideas?

PM me and I'll see what we can come up with. It may be a simple sentence incompatibility or some obscure set-up perameter
 
superb job and an inspirational post.
What sort of costs were involved in the instumentation?

Thanks.

The CCIM ( sensor translation unit ) and data display come in at around £500 which is quite competitive when you price up a traditional panel from someone like VDO.

Add some wiring, connectors, terminal blocks and time spent scrabbling around in the engine room :)

I haven't added the overhead of the software and tools that I have had to aquire.
 
Some time ago I decided to upgrade my traditional engine instrumentation to a more modern setup. Clicking on images gets you a full sized piccie




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Please PM me if you are interested in doing something like this.

A very neat solution. Very impressive. I suppose you have also added a remote VHF to the binacle to complete the centralized command arrangement.
I have a Perkins Prima 50 engine with similar instrumentation and location (under helmsman's seat, Not convenient. I would be interested to a similar modification. What should I be budgeting for?
Incidentally, I have recently replaced my old Furuno GPS (the screen in the old one died), with a latest version GP-32 but though the gps parameters are communicated to the Navtex (NX 300)and the Raymarine speed (ST60 series) instruments, the GMDSS Furuno VHF 8800 (though MNEA cable is connected), it does not display the position as it previously did with the old GPS.
Any ideas?
Thanks
 
A very neat solution. Very impressive. I suppose you have also added a remote VHF to the binacle to complete the centralized command arrangement.

Thanks. Yup. I have a standard horizon VHF with the remote RAM mic which gives me full VHF control from the helm. In addition the set has PA ability, with the PA speaker on the first spreader I can yell at the kids on the foredeck or the occasional Italians laying their anchor over mine :) It also provides a horn and automatic foghorn functions!

I have a Perkins Prima 50 engine with similar instrumentation and location (under helmsman's seat, Not convenient. I would be interested to a similar modification. What should I be budgeting for?

About £500 for the parts, say £100 for programming? Add on materials like wire etc and somewhere to mount the displays? Could be the bulkhead or a pod.

Incidentally, I have recently replaced my old Furuno GPS (the screen in the old one died), with a latest version GP-32 but though the gps parameters are communicated to the Navtex (NX 300)and the Raymarine speed (ST60 series) instruments, the GMDSS Furuno VHF 8800 (though MNEA cable is connected), it does not display the position as it previously did with the old GPS. Any ideas?
Thanks

I'd be tempted to stick a scope on the data lines to verify levels are ok and then monitor the data with a PC to see if the sentence data is getting through ok. Hopefully there is not a missmatch between NMEA versions.
 
Just out of interest, what did you do with the now redundant space left by the old instruments?

Donald
 
Just out of interest, what did you do with the now redundant space left by the old instruments?

Donald

As I said in the OP, all that remains to be done now is to mould a blanking plate for the old instrument recess with a recessed housing for the engine stop handle. This will go where the brown perspex is in the original article photo and will extend over the entire recess. I may also be able to tuck the EPIRB into the recess, keeping it accessible but out of harms way. Apart from cleaning up the area significantly I have stripped all the old wiring out of the lazarette and pulled it back to the engine room where it is currently coiled and tie wrapped. Next trip to the boat it is going to be removed and slung in the bin.
 
Thanks. Yup. I have a standard horizon VHF with the remote RAM mic which gives me full VHF control from the helm. In addition the set has PA ability, with the PA speaker on the first spreader I can yell at the kids on the foredeck or the occasional Italians laying their anchor over mine :) It also provides a horn and automatic foghorn functions!



About £500 for the parts, say £100 for programming? Add on materials like wire etc and somewhere to mount the displays? Could be the bulkhead or a pod.



I'd be tempted to stick a scope on the data lines to verify levels are ok and then monitor the data with a PC to see if the sentence data is getting through ok. Hopefully there is not a missmatch between NMEA versions.

Just spoke to Furuno, they say that the output of the GPS (which is not type approved) is 232, but the input required by the VHF i(which is type approved)is 422 thus they are not communicating and that I should need some kind of converter. Furuno suggested I contact a commercial service supplier. Searching on.
 
For the NMEA problem, things to check are:
- have you used shielded twisted pair cabling, with the shielding just grounded at one end?
- does the listener actually support the sentences output by the talker?
- if it is older kit there can be signal level problems - we used to get this a lot with Philips GPS units and B&G instruments, for example. Try putting in a NMEA/RS232 converter from somebody like Actisense (though we have found their converter doesn't work when connecting a PC to a McMurdo NAV-7 Navtex)

Hope this helps.
 
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