NormanS
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Yes, very difficult to comment on this thread without breaking the "ban" on current affairs.
Eberspacher
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LittleSister
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An admirable stance, at least in principle.
Can you suggest an ideologically sound alternative source for such items?
Sailingsaves
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I thought Planar were the alternative and better option to cheapo Chinese copies? I have not read the whole thread...
lustyd
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They certainly were until Russia decided to get the tanks out. Unfortunately the threat of global nuclear war tends to require a change of stance from simply whats best and cheapest for the boat. Obviously that's not Planar's fault, but the current plan must be to remove Russia from the world economy and that, unfortunately, means cutting off innocent Russian businesses in the hope that they take action locally to help rectify the situation.
eddystone
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That just about sums up my feeling. However , if they become Latvian………?
Sailingsaves
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Not up with current affairs... is their not a forumite that stocks and sells Planar? Vic's son?
lustyd
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Well of course, depending how that came about. Simply shipping through a convenient country doesn't change a thing though.
lustyd
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I'm impressed you've managed to avoid current affairs to that extent. Yes indeed there is, and he'd do well to come up with a plan B, same as anyone supporting Chelsea football club.
Rappey
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Unfortunately not. It is very unfortunate for many Russian companies to be dragged into something that was not of their doing.
Certainly nothing wrong with planar. It seems a very good product.
Poey50
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No money spent on a Planar will, at this point, reach the Russian economy. And good luck trying to avoid Chinese components if you want to avoid supporting a state that has a million Uighurs in it's 're-education' camps. Moral purchasing is no easy matter.
lustyd
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It’s not about money it’s about pressure. They are made in Russia as far as I can tell and as such a Russian company with Russian employees will feel pressure if no new orders come in. More so if existing stocks abroad cease to be purchased. If the whole supply chain suffers that pressure increases, it’s not nice but it seems necessary. The hope is that this will encourage the Russian people to step up and help stop this madness. China have not yet launched a full scale attack on another nation as far as I know so not in the same league.
lustyd
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Back to the topic though Eber and Webasto seem to be the options now.
eddystone
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Yes understand that but it will tak
eddystone
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So, leaving moral issues to one side for the moment……
Unfortunately can’t get to my boat at the moment as CYC causeway being repaired so found specs of existing D3LC on line - 3Kw/3.5 Kw on boost. Mine has 2 outlets on Sadler 32. The drop in Eberspacher replacement Is the D4 Airtronic. What would be Planar equivalent? The existing “hard points” are the exhaust skin fitting, the fuel feed from the diesel tank and the trunk ink/outlets. I assume that’s not a problem with the Eber D4 changeover kit but as I’m not doing it myself if a lot of stuff has to be replaced the extra labour cost might outweigh the cost of hardware.
I assume a new unit might be slightly more efficient in both diesel consumption and current draw?
Unfortunately can’t get to my boat at the moment as CYC causeway being repaired so found specs of existing D3LC on line - 3Kw/3.5 Kw on boost. Mine has 2 outlets on Sadler 32. The drop in Eberspacher replacement Is the D4 Airtronic. What would be Planar equivalent? The existing “hard points” are the exhaust skin fitting, the fuel feed from the diesel tank and the trunk ink/outlets. I assume that’s not a problem with the Eber D4 changeover kit but as I’m not doing it myself if a lot of stuff has to be replaced the extra labour cost might outweigh the cost of hardware.
I assume a new unit might be slightly more efficient in both diesel consumption and current draw?
pcatterall
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Plenty of good used ebers still available. D1LCcompact still viable but D2 and D4 range perhaps more so. Buy one with the 'later' ECU (more reliable) These have the main lead wrapped in cloth tape rather than encapsulated rubber. Lots of life in these models and eco friendly rather than making new.
ghostlymoron
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As far as I can see, China is worse in terms of human rights but hasn't invaded anywhere yet. It's hard to avoid Chinese products though.
Poey50
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I first put in a 4kw Planar but that needed a right angled bend in the outlet vent and, in anything other than very cold weather it overheated. I swapped it for the 2kw version, reduced the outlets to one and thoroughly lagged the whole length of the outlet. This has worked very well - low fan noise and modest power requirements. The price difference between the units is not great so it is tempting to go large but it is better to have a small unit working hard than a large one ticking over as they can soot-up. But do bear in mind that I recirculate cabin air with mine so it works less hard anyway. My 2kw used the existing 75mm trunking and the existing exhaust skin fitting (by cementing the new exhaust hose inside the larger existing one).
eddystone
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Nobody could argue with your last sentence but there is a place called Tibet......
There are actually two moral inflection points in my decision - I might choose not to buy something (currently) made in Russia and the guy doing the job might choose not to fit it. I don't actually know where Eberspachers are made but probably not in Russia. The Eber M2 D4L Changeover kit, which is now in stock, is 2.5X the price but when you include necessary add ons the gap is somewhat less. And knowing my guy his labour charges for something he's not familiar with might be spectacular.
vyv_cox
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Eberspacher and Webasto are made in China. Helps a lot that you make the original when it comes to making cheap copies!
GDR
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i’ve just replaced my D3CL with an Eber D2, i was concerned it would struggle to heat the boat but so far even in these cold months i’m impressed with the heat it’s putting out, i dropped down to a 60mm ducting and fully insulated it all with insulation bags and this makes all the difference. My boat is a moody 31 so probably similar in volume to your sadler, a 2kw heater maybe worth considering for your boat.