E-Borders and Best Endeavours

[Wiggo]

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I had to travel to France last month on Easy Jet and they now require the information not less than 24 hours in advance otherwise they state you cannot fly. I had to submit this online.


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Paul, if this is true, it seems to flatly contradict the e-Borders bit for leisure boats, where you can submit anywhere from 24 hours before right up to time of departure.

Now, if it is correct, then presumably for consistency, rail and ferry operators would have to operate the same rules, effectively meaning that we must now give our Government 24 hours notice before we are allowed to leave or enter the country. And you thought CCTV and ID cards were bad...

 

[Gludy]

We booked through EasyJet and they insisted on all the details 24 hours in advance or no travel - This has now been pointed out to the Eborders deputy Chief exec.

In practice Airlines cannot risk collecting and sending in the details at time of travel - my letter goes into it in some detail. The carrier is liable not the passenger.

I do not know how this can operate on trains.

Its the advanced notice bit that is the problem.

Yet this advanced notice can be one minute even one second before departure thereby not allowing any computer checks - it also means that on the return in your boat you can bring somebody in without notice as long as you try your best to report it asap after landing.

 

[westernman]

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I had to travel to France last month on Easy Jet and they now require the information not less than 24 hours in advance otherwise they state you cannot fly. I had to submit this online.

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You can book a flight with EasyJet which leaves the same day - providing you book at least 2 hours before it leaves.

 

[Wiggo]

So if the airlines need 24 hours to process the details, then so should the trains and ferries. I can accept that as an individual boater, I have fewer numbers to process, so I could do it minutes beforehand.

Of course, that means that unless you travel by pleasure boat, you must give HM Govt at least a day's notice of your intention to leave the country. Put that way, it makes the e-Borders scheme look like a bargain for us boaters - come and go (more or less) when we please... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Gludy]

You only need to provide details from 24 hours before up to the time of departure forall means -air, train or pleasure boat.

When I booked EasyJet online that is what I was asked for.

It makes sense that you should be able to provide details only 2 hours before - so maybe they were just trying it on to get early details.

If you can leave the country without notice - as you can - how can you be stopped by a computer check etc when you have already left? There is no time to do the check!

Eborders will not accept the info earlier than 24 hours before either.

 

[Seven Spades]

The Australian rules require you to give notice more than X number of days in advance of arrival depending upon you point of departure. So yu can give notice now and arrive in two months if you can sail that quickly. What you can't do it turn up without telling them you are coming.

What I can't understand is why I should tell anyone I am leaving. If I am a wanted criminal I won't bother telling anyone and if I am not wanted then why should I tell anyone?

I believe in robust border control, but not this big brother approach. Either we are to have border control s or not, if we do then we should have patrol vessels that are doing random searches. Each vessel arriving should send a DSC message (Which would provide a lat and long and vessel details) declaring you intended arrival. They can then choose to randomly do a passport check. It is a very simple system that would require no advance notice.

 

[Gludy]

You are right but at best its a random test requiring great resources that only sample a few - like only checking 1 in a 1000 passports at Heathrow.

The resources will never be there and the system can never be more that political spin.

 

[Helly]

"Her Britannic Majestey's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary"

And THAT is addressed to countries other than my own.




Even Brass Eye didn't think this one up (I don't think). But they did come up with bomb dogs (terrierists) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nvfQw8UCDE