NickiCrutchfield
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Radio 4 E Borders from a yachtsman's perspective. 12 noon.
E Border on you and yours
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Genoa
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Short and sweet, but at least it is highlighting the potential problems ...
NickiCrutchfield
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Yup. Government sound very heavy-handed though. It is a pernicious threat to a very modest freedom. I have a nasty feeling we may well have it in place soon. A real shame, and in many ways a triumph for the terrorists.
Pye_End
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The government spkesman certainly seemed to believe that 'something has to be done', but really needed to get stuck in to the practicality of what they were proposing to have any credibility.
For anybody wanting to bypass the e-borders sysem and traffic people it would be easy - all you need to say is that you stopped off Deal to clear a plastic bag round your prop on your way to Ramsgate and you could land your illegals and then continue on your way.
Worthless system, costing ££££££ of our money.
For anybody wanting to bypass the e-borders sysem and traffic people it would be easy - all you need to say is that you stopped off Deal to clear a plastic bag round your prop on your way to Ramsgate and you could land your illegals and then continue on your way.
Worthless system, costing ££££££ of our money.
FWB
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I am a little disappointed. Having taken the trouble to contact them they then do a bit about some novice going out in a gale. Oh well I have done my bit to try to highlight this problem.
misterg
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The R4 programme seemed to take it for granted that everyone not only had a lap-top on board, but a mobile internet connection, too...
On the broader issue, do THEY seriously think that criminals are going to be caught out by typing 'smuggling' or 'people trafficing' into the 'reason for trip' box? It beggars belief that anyone considers that this proposal has any chance of being effective.
Ho hum...
Andy
On the broader issue, do THEY seriously think that criminals are going to be caught out by typing 'smuggling' or 'people trafficing' into the 'reason for trip' box? It beggars belief that anyone considers that this proposal has any chance of being effective.
Ho hum...
Andy
NickiCrutchfield
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Good work Dylan. The system won't and can't work, so it will just have to be another 'hazard' around which to navigate.
Nico
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I reminds me when I got stopped during an anti-terrorism exercise in Portsmouth harbour. Mid-afternoon on a nice sunny day our boat gets pulled over. Boat has XXXXX Sea School in large letters on the side. Various police types (MOD?) then question us about our place of birth etc. and fill in forms with much licking of pencils. They struggle manfully with any slightly unusual spelling. They told us it was the first day of a three-week exercise. I hope they were out there at 3 in the morning looking for unmarked RIBs or fishing boats and not just clearly marked sea school boats in broad daylight.
pmyatt
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They wouldn't have known you were a Sea School boat - for that you have to be able to read - not the same as writing. That's why the police usually go around in threes - one to read, one to write, and one to control the two intellectuals.
grafozz
Member
Yes , I agree ,a huge amount of money is to be wasted on this unworkable /unenforcable scheme - £650 million contract awarded to the "security company " to implement it . then we discover that Browntrousers is borrowing £100bn to prop up the economy ! what a bloody loser he is ! did anyone vote for him ? .... oh no - it is an inheritance he is now spending !
Boat44
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Not to worry. This government couldn't procure an IT system to save its life. Lots and lots of failed examples. Can anybody show one example where it has actually worked and been on time?
Anyway, how exactly are they going to regulate the Solent on a Bank holiday evening? Who exactly is going to do it?
They are in fantasy land where pumpkins get tuned into magical coaches!
Anyway, how exactly are they going to regulate the Solent on a Bank holiday evening? Who exactly is going to do it?
They are in fantasy land where pumpkins get tuned into magical coaches!
sailorman
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they can track you by your mobi so wheres the prob, its all auto init /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
RAI
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I wonder how they are going to try and make it work.
I imagine myself sitting here at my computer and filling in a web-form to say I'm going sailing to France tomorrow, sorry, day after tomorrow, must give 48 hours notice. Having registered that, SWMBO dictates a shopping trip. So I submit a cancellation web-form. Then SWMBO sees the beautiful weather and agrees to a sail, so I submit a cancellation of cancellation web-form.
Then I buy a bit of software that submits passage plans automatically and cancels them automatically, about every 6 hours round the clock linked to the local tides. I just have to remember to cancel the right cancellation. This software proves popular amongst travellers and the e-Borders IT system slows and slows and crashes.
It could be fun.
I imagine myself sitting here at my computer and filling in a web-form to say I'm going sailing to France tomorrow, sorry, day after tomorrow, must give 48 hours notice. Having registered that, SWMBO dictates a shopping trip. So I submit a cancellation web-form. Then SWMBO sees the beautiful weather and agrees to a sail, so I submit a cancellation of cancellation web-form.
Then I buy a bit of software that submits passage plans automatically and cancels them automatically, about every 6 hours round the clock linked to the local tides. I just have to remember to cancel the right cancellation. This software proves popular amongst travellers and the e-Borders IT system slows and slows and crashes.
It could be fun.
Boat44
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My mobile doesn't work on the boat!
Thats what I tell the boss anyway!!!!
Thats what I tell the boss anyway!!!!
starfire
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I think we should all chip £1 in & get someone to write the software, when the time comes.
alan_d
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They will just introduce a cancellation charge ...
sailorman
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how about we all "Get Chipped" like Dogs then all Cyclops & friends need is a powerful radar like bar code reader in each marina, eastury.
that would then be automatic & "Real Time" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
that would then be automatic & "Real Time" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ayearsley
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Past years I have regularly trunked my boat each summer from North Wales to Camaret and back for a month in West Brittany. Due to weather, half the journeys were done non-stop, the other half entering boltholes- Bardsey, Fishguard, Milford Haven or convenient bays on the way. I have no laptop. There was no way of forecasting how the trip would go or the timing.
How on earth can the E-borders system or me cope with this?
How on earth can the E-borders system or me cope with this?
snooks
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how about we all "Get Chipped" like Dogs then all Cyclops & friends need is a powerful radar like bar code reader in each marina, eastury.
that would then be automatic & "Real Time" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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That sounds a little too much like AIS for my liking /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
how about we all "Get Chipped" like Dogs then all Cyclops & friends need is a powerful radar like bar code reader in each marina, eastury.
that would then be automatic & "Real Time" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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That sounds a little too much like AIS for my liking /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
neale
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We could all be inplanted in our backsides and call it A*** Identification System /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif