Dutchman to lazyjack

[Greenheart]

I hadn't looked hard at Dutchman reefing but it seems very clever, because it's so simple. It would use a lot less line than my lazyjacks, and (I'm assuming) they don't need adjusting...aside from the topping lift needing slackening once the sail is hoisted, so the tension doesn't obstruct the top of the roach.

The Solent loft did struggle to get the bits from the US...

It became more difficult to get the bits...

What were these elusive bits? The system looks very straightforward, is it not simply a matter of reinforcing the holes in the sail with thimbles (or grommets or cringles or what you will)?

The holes in the sail surely can't be under much strain, such as the way clew-cringles are, so aren't the very simplest type of thimbles or grommets, sufficient reinforcement?

Thanks.

 

[Poignard]

I hadn't looked hard at Dutchman reefing but it seems very clever, because it's so simple. It would use a lot less line than my lazyjacks, and (I'm assuming) they don't need adjusting...aside from the topping lift needing slackening once the sail is hoisted, so the tension doesn't obstruct the top of the roach.





What were these elusive bits? The system looks very straightforward, is it not simply a matter of reinforcing the holes in the sail with thimbles (or grommets or cringles or what you will)?

The holes in the sail surely can't be under much strain, such as the way clew-cringles are, so aren't the very simplest type of thimbles or grommets, sufficient reinforcement?

Thanks.

I think there is a modern version of the Dutchman system where, instead of the lines being threaded through eyelet in the sail, there are fairleads stitched to one side of the sail that the lines pass through.

 

[Greenheart]

It sounds clever, thank you, though I can't see how the effect would be improved...previously the lines ran first this side of the sail, then through the holes, then back, repeatedly...wasn't that the reason the sail could be relied upon to flake so easily, in fact automatically?

If all the fittings were on one side of the sail, wouldn't all the 'flakes' of sail flop away over the boom when lowered, rather unevenly?

 

[Poignard]

It sounds clever, thank you, though I can't see how the effect would be improved...previously the lines ran first this side of the sail, then through the holes, then back, repeatedly...wasn't that the reason the sail could be relied upon to flake so easily, in fact automatically?

If all the fittings were on one side of the sail, wouldn't all the 'flakes' of sail flop away over the boom when lowered, rather unevenly?

That seems likely. I have no experience of it but a vague recollection of reading it somewhere. There is a company called Dutchman selling kits but that system does have the lines laced through the sail, not all on one side.

 

[newtothis]

If all the fittings were on one side of the sail, wouldn't all the 'flakes' of sail flop away over the boom when lowered, rather unevenly?

If one line up one side of the sail and another leapfrogging up the other side, it should have the same effect, shouldn't it?

 

[Daydream believer]

If one line up one side of the sail and another leapfrogging up the other side, it should have the same effect, shouldn't it?

The sail would bunch up between the 2 lines before it got down to the boom. the opposite line would stop the flake from the opposing line