drink boating

[Andrew_Fanner]

Just assume that it is a lever to bringing in licencing, so that thre is something to take away if you have been bad. After all, it makes so much sense to the control freaks. Then the licence will need a testing fee, an admin fee, then a renewal period, then an age related automatic expiry date...

 

[TonyJones]

jfm

I am delighted to know that you have such confidence in the powers that be to interpret things in that manner.

With road vehicles, the owner may be in the passenger seat pissed as a newt and telling the driver where to go and how to get there, but the drink driving laws are concerned only with the person 'in charge' of the vehicle who is deemed to be the driver.

This legislation is phrased quite differently and is, IMHO, wide open to the interpretation I offer. But if you don't agree, of course I must be wrong...

 

[Refueler]

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jfm

I am delighted to know that you have such confidence in the powers that be to interpret things in that manner.

With road vehicles, the owner may be in the passenger seat pissed as a newt and telling the driver where to go and how to get there, but the drink driving laws are concerned only with the person 'in charge' of the vehicle who is deemed to be the driver.

This legislation is phrased quite differently and is, IMHO, wide open to the interpretation I offer. But if you don't agree, of course I must be wrong...

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I am fighting a 400 Lats fine ( about 480 quid) and 3 yrs ban Latvian Inland waters as owner of the yacht, but skippered by my nephew. He was deemed undereage to hold licence - so I'm held liable. My Test showed 1.14 on the scale after approx. 2 litres of average Pilsner beer (4.2%).

 

[timbartlett]

As a matter of possible interest, I have at last managed to track down a copy of the spectacularly obscure report which the consultation document describes as “Recent research” that “provides further evidence of the risks of going on the water when having consumed alcohol.”

What the report actually says is “No recent studies had examined the association between alcohol consumption and the following external causes of morbidity and mortality, and therefore estimates of the AAF were extracted directly from the work of Single et al. (1996) and English et al. (1995):
• Water transport accidents.”

In other words, it is not it is not “evidence”, but an estimate;
it is not “recent research”, it is based on data that was collected for a different purpose, in foreign countries, twelve and thirteen years ago.

If this piece of legislation were such a good idea, I wonder why they feel it necessary to tell lies in order to get it approved. And if alcohol afloat is such a major problem, I wonder why they couldn't find some decent evidence to prove it?

 

[Refueler]

I think in all fairness we can all think back to times when our sobriety is questionable, we can all remember events of others we've seen involving alcohol.

But the real point is can we recite or point to actual incidents that create need for extra legislation directed exactly at boaters ?

Being in the Marine profession - I get fed up with quotes about Exxon Valdez and other marine incidents that alcohol has been a 'factor'. The ' ' are intentional as many facts anout these incidents are mulled over ...

Like any authority - they will use any 'evidence' they can to prove their case. If you point out to them that the case is flawed - guess what - you're ignored.

Welcome to the world of 'Govt. Dept. Public Consultation'.

 

[timbartlett]

Refueller, I know what you mean.

But some senior officials at the DVLA and DfT got a right bollocking from the Public Accounts Committee a few months ago for having fed the PAC with misleading information which it then (unwittingly) used to mislead parliament.

The formal report of the bollocking reads like something out of Yes Minister, but it can't have been much fun for the officials concerned, and it can't have done their career prospects much good.

So it's surprising that officials from a different bit of the same Department are trying a very similar trick --particularly as the only thing that can possibly be in it for them is quicker promotion to an even bigger salary and pension