Docking Skills

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The guy with the boat hook is pushing away to keep the port prop of the drop lines /Bow lines which are running from the stern cleats to the mooring block.

[/ QUOTE ]Mmmm... I'm not sure that's what he had in mind.
He rather seems to be just pushing away anything he can reach with his hook, no matter what.
In any case, it's unbelievable that in the second attempt the props missed the bow lines.
Makes me even wonder if the boat has sterndrives or - dare I say it? - IPS.... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
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a gentle, as it were, wiggle of the hips to the left and a gentle wiggle of the hips to the right...

[/ QUOTE ]Wait, didn't you say before "Bowthruster. What a wuss"?
That one smells of stern thruster from a mile away!!!
If so, fishing for compliments have never been easier...
 
But not in boaty sence, the trip boats round here load the passengers from the bow. They never try to back in.

I'm not saying all marinas are designed right for boats, rather the opposite.

At a darts match, would you really try to launch the dart backwards. Would you then argue that was the easy way for the crew to get off.??

Pointy end and waggly end, can be used for all sorts of advantages, if used the right way.

Short pontoons is a marina gaf, get it sorted.
 
Stern drives, IPS, or shafts he's on the lines. and to say there is no wind he can't drive very well at all.

My point is there is nothing unusual about the guy having a boat hook in his hand. when they were 50 mtrs away from mooring he picked it up so he could use it to get the drop line. the point he tried to push away fend off is secondry to what happened.

What he should have had was a split coiled stern line ready to throw over a pontoon cleat and the boat hook ready. Either way looks like compleat beginners. Who have unfortunatly been cought on video. So as a professional at doing and teaching this I should probably not comment further than to say they could do with some tuition and help. They would probably agree.
 
Quote: (At a darts match, would you really try to launch the dart backwards. Would you then argue that was the easy way for the crew to get off.??)

Most marinas in the Med would not let you berth bow too.
 
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Stern drives, IPS, or shafts he's on the lines.

[/ QUOTE ]Yup, no doubt about it.
I was wondering what's spinning that boat props only because if they're sterndrives (as the kind of boat would lead to think), God only knows how they avoided a complete mess on the 2nd attempt. IPS are much less exposed in this respect, even less than shafts.

Re. what the crew member should have done, you're correct when mooring in open spaces, but in that situation I'd have briefed my crew differently. See, when stern mooring between two boats already moored, it's pointless to bother about the lines. It's only up to the helmsman to move the boat in its slot, and when it's there you can take the whole rest of the day to fix the lines at your convenience, 'cause the boat won't move anyway.
That's why in this case I'd have instructed swmbo (well, not anymore actually: by now she knows that without saying) to just hang around with a fender, looking mostly at the downwind side of the boat - just in case. Lines will follow, no hurry.
 
Yes could't agree more. Thats what we do. but we do usualy teach to throw a stern line so that the boat can move away from the pontoon making the bow line easier to lift up then pull back on the stern lines to gain tention.

And on larger boats I do it like this single handed with a hand control all the guests sat down. Just a marinero ready to run up the starboard side with the a bow line. [image]
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Never had anybody thrust out for me.....................sounds nice.

Referring to the wiggle mentioned above, with my mooring the port side boat is a fair bit shorter at 50ft, and its bow has a tendency to close the gap. So when one returns its never wide enough. what I do is aim at an angle for the stb boats bow thus getting my stern quarter inside the hole then a qucik nudge on the port prop a) rotates the boat thus straightening her up and at the same time my fwd prop wash, pushes the bow of the 50 footer away, job done
 
Yep, but it wasn't on this berth I was refering to this boat but in Cogolin St Tropez. We had spent the whole day at San Peloma Beach "Nickis" Came back to find that our berth had been nicked by a sailing yacht. and the marina office shut. Fortunatly I had spent a few hours in the bar chatting to a couple of skippers who when I arrived back in the marina at about 2300 were half way down a bottle of whiskey. I was prepared to go out and anchor in the bay, but they shouted squeeze in between us. so we created another berth. Good guys, both friends skippering a pair of Mangustas 120s I think. Happy Days.
 
quote: "when stern mooring between two boats already moored, it's pointless to bother about the lines. It's only up to the helmsman to move the boat in its slot, and when it's there you can take the whole rest of the day to fix the lines at your convenience, 'cause the boat won't move anyway.
That's why in this case I'd have instructed [crew] to just hang around with a fender, looking mostly at the downwind side of the boat - just in case. Lines will follow, no hurry."

EXACTLY Mapis. For sure you dont want someone with a boat hook trying to catch the lazy line while you're still driving into the space. The lazy line should wait. Indeed, some too-keen dock people pull it tight and try to hand it to you while you're still underway, which risks catching the propeller

Nice set of pics GSkip! Also in this thread I see there is different jargon between GSkip's territory and SofF. We call the thin line the "lazy line" and the thick line that you cleat to your bow the "ground line"
 
Yep thats exactly what happens. One even want to start faffing with winches and locking off lines. No chance only me or trusted Marineros or perons working for me touch lines. unless its a training course. Liability insurance in Spain is high enough as it is. That's not to say that people who charter / or guests of clients can't take the driving seat when in open water which they all seem to enjoy.
 
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I just looked at those pics agian and did a double take. The guy in navy blue, he's a mrinero employed by the port, right? And HE runs down your side deck with the lazy line and attaches the groundline to your bow cleat? Blimey, you are spoilt there! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif You wouldn't get that kind of service in SofF! Does he cook dinner and stuff too? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Blimey, you are spoilt there!

[/ QUOTE ]Precisely my thought, when I looked at those pics!
And he does that with no gloves and bare feet, either - now, that's commitment!
Though I can't complain actually. In nasty situations, with strong xwind and no boat moored downwind, in my marina (knowing also that I have no b/t), they're kind enough to jump in a rib, recover the upwind ground line and hand it over to swmbo directly on the bow, ready for the cleat, while I take care of upwind stern line, thus securing bow and stern almost simultaneously.
But they only do that in situations where the flags of the above boats would have been as perfectly horizontal as they can get!!!
 
jfm, Just PM'ed you.

Marinero service on Sunseeker berths, also the new Trapsa berths if you call up on your way in. However we are expecting a lesser service this year, Credit Crunch and all that. Never mind I'll come and run a line for you as your a friend of Nigels!!!
 
Thanks!
(For explanation to other forumites, I'm crossing Antibes - Menorca 27 June for a month or so in Balearics, and GSkip's knowledge is kindly being offered!)
 
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