Do boat ownersin marinas do something to anoy you?
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clyst
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wind genies ,frapping ropes,engines,ebers etc etc its all part of a close community .Get use to it. 400+ people/boats together in a confined area ....... What do you expect ??
RupertW
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Taking two plug sockets as their multiple systems require so many amps - and the boatbuilders who supply the double lead systems as standard.
Greenheart
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All these trolley-sweats. Isn't the solution to drop half a dozen of 'em off the culprit's pontoon, during their absence?
As I understand it, the companies which make these heaters, also supply quiet (underwater?) exhausts for them. Wouldn't it be generally welcome amongst berth-holders, if the management required these to be fitted, tested and effective, before the heaters are used?
Good heavens! Your boat has jackstays?
bigwow
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Evadne
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I am now dreading old age and infirmity. I always assumed that, once I was too old to be manhandling a dinghy down to the water, I would have to move my boat to a marina. I think I'd be better off buying a caravan and a jet ski, if I want to stay in polite and reasonable company. They sound like awful places!
They sound like awful places!
Talbot
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Do tell where you can get these!
I know that onan make a silencer for their generators which still exits above the waterline, but passes through a water bath beforehand. The normal heaters are of similar construction to the eberspacher, and these exhausts are tuned lengths which have no capacity for any silencer system to be added (too much back pressure).
So if you can find these which are authorised by the manufacturer of the heater/generator, I am sure people might consider them.
Greenheart
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Re heater-silencers...
...apologies, I was thinking of the noisy-superyacht-at-Yarmouth thread, two or three months ago...many were suggesting underwater exhausts to solve the issue...but they were generator exhausts. How dismal, that heating manufacturers haven't addressed the issue!
My impression too, since I turned about 13.
Wouldn't it be any amount less expensive than marina fees, if a lot of local senior mooring-users (in fact, any who'd prefer to avoid tender-use) clubbed together and employed a sober chap with a dory, 9am till late, specifically for ferrying them to & from their boats?
Such services exist already...and might appeal very much more widely. As long as the dory runs very quietly!
...apologies, I was thinking of the noisy-superyacht-at-Yarmouth thread, two or three months ago...many were suggesting underwater exhausts to solve the issue...but they were generator exhausts. How dismal, that heating manufacturers haven't addressed the issue!
My impression too, since I turned about 13.
Wouldn't it be any amount less expensive than marina fees, if a lot of local senior mooring-users (in fact, any who'd prefer to avoid tender-use) clubbed together and employed a sober chap with a dory, 9am till late, specifically for ferrying them to & from their boats?
Such services exist already...and might appeal very much more widely. As long as the dory runs very quietly!
BlueSkyNick
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People who let their dogs run loose, sh!t on the pontoons or ashore, and leave it for marina staff to clean up.
Slappy halyards.
Lack of correct mooring lines, especially springs, so that marina staff have to re-tie boats during or after strong winds.
Slappy halyards.
Lack of correct mooring lines, especially springs, so that marina staff have to re-tie boats during or after strong winds.
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That's not quite right. It is possible to buy in-line silencers for Webasto/Eberspacher heaters though they are very expensive. Eberspacher/Webasto silencers are sold on Ebay and are quite cheap but these are for the automative market (albeit that they are readily described as being suitable for boats). The silencers are not gas tight so if fitted in-line aboard a boat noxious gasses will escape and be trapped within the hull - very dangerous. In a car of course it doesn't matter that gasses escape as they readily dissipate from the vehicle. Marine silencer kits are a one piece exhaust with the gas tight silencer welded in-line with the exhaust. From memory a 2.5m exhaust with integral silencer is about £300.
Blueboatman
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Moan moan moan moan moan. Is that the five a day thing? Cos I'm not entirely convinced of the health benefits
Whiskey Bravo
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People who get up at the crack of dawn and make a noise just to hoist their ensign.
Greenheart
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Doubtless you jest...I hope so, anyway. Imagine the actual pile of tens and twenties you pay to your marina-owner each year...
...which you shell out grudgingly, presumably for the convenience, security, calm waters, shore-power and facilities provided? It makes sound sense to compare the value with the bare-minimum one enjoys from a relatively remote, relatively inexpensive mooring.
Granted, they're both much costlier than is justified by the materials/services they provide...but perhaps the one thing which would make the four-figure marina fee seem like value, is the SAME one thing berth-holders don't get...an assurance of peace in the marina?
Whilst I hope I'll never need to keep a boat in a marina, I would consider the idea more readily if a preposterously draconian rule-book was issued, and its observance absolutely required by all present, without exception...
...you'll keep halyards (and all other unsecured lines/fabrics/materials/wind turbines) from spinning/flapping/tapping noisily...you'll only operate engines, generators and heaters which accord with strict noise limits and do not bother or asphixiate other berth-holders...
...you'll never block pontoons or other constricted spaces...you won't shout unless to warn of danger/emergency...you will not play music that is audible more than ten feet from your berth...and you will ensure your guests likewise obey these requirements...etc.
As long as those who berth in the marina sign a document accepting that their enforced removal will be immediate if they behave with prolonged disregard for the rules, then everybody will take care not to piss off others in the vicinity...
...and they can have an agreeable grumble about how draconian the management is. Much better than hating each other!
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prv
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Have to say, lack of noise isn't really a big deal for me at the home berth. I expect peace and quiet in a secluded anchorage or remote mooring, not in a floating carpark. I go to the boat in order to depart for somewhere else or, only occasionally in summer, to work on it. Not to sit there expecting to be surrounded by natural idyll.
This is fortunate, as the scrapyard 50 yards away on the other bank can be quite loud
That only works if you get to write the rulebook according to your personal whims.
What if the rulemaker had a sensitive nose and an abhorrence of scallops and chorizo?
Pete
rotrax
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Plagarised from a yank forum:- "You want a sandwich with that whine?"
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Greenheart
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That only works if you get to write the rulebook according to your personal whims.
What if the rulemaker had a sensitive nose and an abhorrence of scallops and chorizo?
Pete
Well, the whims would have to be fairly broadly-drawn...but the marina-irritants we read of weekly, here, would make a pretty solid basis of things to forbid. Mostly noise, isn't it? Particularly at hours when the vast majority of paying customers would prefer silence.
I'd go along with prohibition of flamboyant cookery. I've been bothered myself, by others' hades-style barbeques and eye-watering 'bomb-bay' curry-nights. Definitely in the category of 'objectionable'. Besides, I was planning my surf&turf fry-up whilst trapezing!
But I'm 100% with you, on going to the boat as an escape. SWMBO likes boot-sales. Not to buy, just for the range of randomly-interesting ephemeral company. She'd want a marina berth - largely for its opportunities to make banal small-talk! I'd ban that, too.
Greenheart
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I thought the invariable American supplementary question was "you want cheese, with that?"
And it's generally "American cheese", which is about as much like cheese as KFC is like fowl. I know it is foul...
Perhaps Rotrax has a local problem here? I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone ask if I wanted a supplementary sandwich.
Did you mean "do you want a sandwich with that wine"? Or is it a whine, to the effect of "do you want a sandwich"?
This is how thread-drifts happen. They'll be strongly discouraged too, in my marina.
prv
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Yep - together with not returning trolleys, I think noise at night (say, after 11pm) is one of the more valid moans.
Pete
Nostrodamus
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The question comes because some of us actually live aboard their boats during winter. I have never seen anyone on the next door boat yet as soon as the wind gets up his wind generator begins to drone. A quick look out and I can see six of them spinning away and nobody is aboard. Two of them even have had their sails removed. Why do they need to leave their wind farms spinning and droning like a flying bomb?
Greenheart
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Presumably unattended yachts need an occasional battery-boost from the wind-turbine? That must be the thinking.
I like the idea of getting amps from the breeze, but not if it's a pain in the ear. Not when solar panels are equally as good.
Not in the marina, anyway. Another rule that ought to be adopted...