Do any schools run RYA training courses where you don't live aboard?

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...was the Instructors obsession with rolling his own fags

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Do they all do that? I didn't realise it was part of the instructor qualification. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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If you want a Day Skipper qualification then you have to spend five nights on board - it is a requirement that cannot be waived.

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Why though?
What's the actual requirement? Is it just that you're aboard, even if it's nicely tied up to a pontoon by a pub?

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The course is about far more than sailing - it is about being able to skipper a yacht, which involves being in a confined space with other people for a prolonged period of time.

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Strange, there must be many people for whom sailing doesn't involve 4 other strangers on a 30 footer.

The course is often quoted as a requirement for bareboat charters (where there aren't 4 strangers on board) perhaps the RYA should come up with something that is suitable for that?


(Umm.. first post, long time lurker, but I understand the O/P's position.)
 
Re: Do any schools run RYA training courses where you don\'t live aboard?

I think all this thread really tells us is that different people look for different things out of sailing.

Some are pedantic, some are laisse faire, is that so bad, after all it really does take all sorts.

Now in general instructors tend to be pretty commited sailors, and tend to be more traditional in their view. They are also constrained by a syllabus. I have only ever done one practical course and I got on well with the instructor, yes he made sure we ate well, and as the food was included in the fees we ate on board, and all mucked in. No we rarely cook on board ourselves but we can so what the hell.

I would suggest that if you are picky about how your course is run then speak to the school before hand and find one that suits, otherwise just try to enjoy it as best you can.
 
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Some are pedantic

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I agree entirely with oldsail3r. And with your own point that instructors will tend to come from a more formal sailing background.

I have no truck with it. If I needed a qualification for chartering or a jobs perhaps, I would do it. But it would be on PhotoDog's terms, which seem perfectly reasonable.

I also don't like the idea of being told to wear lifejackets by statute, but if a skipper asked me to or I felt it wise (like my testdrive in the trimaran the other day) I do.

There'll never be a common path, everyone will want to do things their own way. It does seem according to replies on here that the RYA want people to do it their way, full stop.
 
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In reality if you are going to have formal qualifications that are accepted worldwide you do need a reasonably well defined standard, passing a course or exam should not be subjective, and that means a relatively strict sylabus. One particular benefit of the RYA system is that so far we have not had state controlled compulsory licencing as they have in many other countries.

Remember because of the RYA and it's scheme you can sail without a qualification, so their courses have benefited you in theior own way.
 
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I don't understand why so many people feel compelled to attack or belittle the RYA. It is a voluntary organisation, no-one's taxes are going towards it and no-one says you have to take their courses or advice. If you think they are doing it wrong then join and lobby.

However, if you don't like what the RYA do then you don't have to have any part of it - but for some reason many on here feel compelled to defend their decision to have nothing to do with it.

Methinks they doth protest too much . . .
 
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Methinks they doth protest too much . . .

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What on earth does that mean?
 
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A (slightly elderly) RYA log book says that the DS requirement is 4 night hours - a very different thing from 5 nights in a small space with inconsiderate boors. But you can easily check this with the RYA themselves. The certs mean less than experience but are useuful if (i) you find it easiest to learn new skills in a slightly structured way (we did), or (ii) you want to reduce your rates or indeed be allowed to charter.

We have every sympathy with your g/f and good on yer for supporting her in the face of the less supportive comments above. Of the two of us, Sarah was lucky and met really good people, got privacy and some v good food when she did her sail training. Even with four blokes in November in the Algarve, when she knew 2 of them, one of the otehrs was an excellent Italian cook and they ate like royalty. But Pip spent 5 horrendous days on a 32 footer in the Solent with a bunch of blokes who were all obviously somewhat disappointed at having their blokey week discombobulated, and where two of them had to get up any time someone wanted a pee (accurate or not!) She did her dayskipper in Greece, going with a female friend; there was supposed to be another couple on board but they didn't show up, so they had lots of privacy.

There are some courses that are all women; there was a recent thread on this, and you could go that way, but if you want to train together I'd really explore the discussions either with local schools or ones you particularly like. You can talk about food, about loo arrangements and everything else. If they're not up for the conversation, ring the next one on the list!

After all that - the sailing courses, from the POV you're raising, are easily the worst bit. Small space, strangers, steep learning curve, possible terror, possible crap weather etc etc. It does get much better whether chartering, flotilla, own boat or whatever!
 
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Pointless end statement.
What on earth does that mean?

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Hamlet - line 242 might help
 
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It still doesn't make sense.
After his big rant about digressions as well.
 
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digressions are great....

but does "picking of Webcraft" appear to be such a popular past-time here?
 
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Bad luck, Max, you come on here as a new user and raised an interesting question with a supporting point of view, then been lost in the melee of multiple other debates.

Please dont go away and forget about it !!

It seems to me that what you and your young lady need more than courses and qualifications, is some actual experience. You can go on a flotilla as has been suggested - I know Neilsons do a villa-flotilla where you stay in a small hotel the first week while you undertake basic training during the day, then in the second week you have a boat to yourselves, but with the lead boat always on hand to consult or help out.

You wont get your Dayskipper out of it, but it will give you both additional experience, and in warmer climes so you can enjoy it as a holiday too.

The second approach would be to join a club with a strong cruising section where you can get to sail with others, either for the occasional day, weekend, long weekend or even two week cruise. I know a very good club that does this, I am sure there others.

Hope this helps
 
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After his big rant about digressions as well.

[/ QUOTE ] You're new here aren't you? You'll know it when I've had a big rant . . .

- W
 
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After his big rant about digressions as well.

[/ QUOTE ] You're new here aren't you? You'll know it when I've had a big rant . . .

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Yeah you'll be leaving the forum for ever.... again /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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That is no way to treat a new comer. If you want to have a rant, warn us in advance so that we can give it a miss. Or better still lock yourself away in a dark room and rant away!
 
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Yeah you'll be leaving the forum for ever.... again

[/ QUOTE ] Now come on DW - you know perfectly well it;s only teh Lounge that I leave permanently on a regular basis . . .

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That is no way to treat a new comer. If you want to have a rant, warn us in advance so that we can give it a miss. Or better still lock yourself away in a dark room and rant away!

[/ QUOTE ] Who rattled your cage? I note that this is your first post on this thread, so I guess you win the prize for least useful contribution.

- W
 
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Makes complete sense if you read the Bard.....tut tut, the lack of eddercatshun these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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But actually I think it's line 224/5.
 
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Thank you doris.

It is getting increasingly difficult to have a rational or educated discussion on Scuttlebutt these days.

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