Do any schools run RYA training courses where you don't live aboard?

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Since when does a boat need to be coded if the crew put something into the kitty for food/booze/berthing etc???????????????????
Not even in todays ludicrously over regulated world has it come to that.

[/ QUOTE ]I am afraid that it has come to that.

If money changes hands - even as a 'donation' towards upkeep of the boat, then it is considered a commercial use and the boat needs to be coded.

Of course there are some people who disregard the rules, but if there was an accident then they would be in deep poo.

However, all is not lost. If you own a boat, then you are quite entitled to hire in an instructor to teach you. I am not entirely sure if such a course would qualify as a day skipper course, but it might be worth enquiring.

If you don't own a boat, you could charter one with another couple and hire an instructor?
 
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oldsail3er is spot on. You do it to enjoy it, and if this means a day sail or eating out every time then why not?



Mark you, talk of 3 course meals on school boats wasn't my experience. The school had prepared home cooked frozen meals which just needed veg prepared tomake an excellent dinner.

The instructor selected enough packs, stuffed them in the oven then took us to the pub for a good few pints and the meal was hot when we finally returned. I was nearly suffering from scurvy by the end of the course from living on beer, crisps, nuts & meat, bread & marge and rice and no veg for a week. Seem to recall quite enjoying it tho!
 
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You could contact your local training centres and try to arrange the course to be taken with all female entrants, or have your gf's palls book up for the competant crew course while she takes the ds course all at the same time on the same boat, I am sure the instructor (especially if private) would jump at the oppertunity. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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If money changes hands - even as a 'donation' towards upkeep of the boat, then it is considered a commercial use and the boat needs to be coded.

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Can you point to a source for the law on that, have there been any prosecutions? Can you point to them?

Does it only count for money or does paying the mooring fees and buying a meal and a few beers count as payment? What if the skipper happens to be the one who walks up to the marina office and you pay him back when he returns?

I wouldn't feel comfortable sailing on someone else's boat unless I chipped in something financially in cash or in kind.
 
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I am told that sharing the costs of the trip doesn't count. ie if you all chip in to harbour dues, pay your share of gas used, fuel etc.

However if you start giving something 'extra' for the boat, then you are overstepping the mark. I think that there have been a couple of test cases through the courts, but I haven't got chapter and verse to hand and I'm not a lawyer. I am only going on what I have been told.
 
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When I did my DS swmbo cam along for her CC as well, and I didnt want a shared boat either.... so we went to Plain Sailing in Brixham and rented a Bene 311 for 7 days, Plain sailing provided a very good instructor for 5 days at the begining, (I think at that time it was around £100 per day) we provisioned the boat ourselves and ate out alot as well, cost about 12-13 hundred in total, got really good intensive training, and then two days on our own as well afterwards....

Ive done the Coastal on a shared boat, and that was with a great skipper again, but no were near to as good training because of the 4 other students....

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Sailing should be fun if you are happy doing a night passage across the channel and cooking three course meals good luck to you - if bliss is sailing up to a great pub and having dinner ashore it dosen't make you any less of a sailor. As long as you are having fun and not hurting anyone else good luck to you.

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Well said, oldsail3r. Some people on here seem to expect others to conform to their likes, dislikes and values rather than having their own.

Alan
 
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Some people on here seem to expect others to conform to their likes, dislikes and values rather than having their own.

[/ QUOTE ] The OP's question was whether there was any way to do a Day Skipper course without sleeping on the boat. There isn't.

So - if you don't want to confirm to the RYA's rules you can't do their courses and obtain their qualifications. Not rocket science, and nothing to do with posters on here expecting anyone to conform to their own ideas.

It seems to be getting harder and harder for forumites on here to stick to the original topic of a thread for some reason.

- W
 
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It seems to be getting harder and harder for forumites on here to stick to the original topic of a thread for some reason

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My god, ITS ANARCHY!!!

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But isnt that what the internet is supposed to be about, the unrestrained and free exchange of ideas and information?



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Sorry, more fred drift.
 
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But isnt that what the internet is supposed to be about, the unrestrained and free exchange of ideas and information?

[/ QUOTE ] Well I dunno . . . my brother told me he found a mistake on the internet last week . . .

- W
 
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NEVER! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
Re: Do any schools run RYA training courses where you don\'t live aboard?

You could contact your local training centres and try to arrange the course to be taken with all female entrants, or have your gf's palls book up for the competant crew course while she takes the ds course all at the same time on the same boat, I am sure the instructor (especially if private) would jump at the oppertunity.

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DS courses, can ONLY be validated by a RYA Sea School.
To be an approved establishment, schools have to undergo a lot of expensive jumping through hoops.

You cannot simply turn up in ANY boat, get an instructor on a private basis & then get awarded a DS certificate.

Any course, MUST by RYA rules, be done on a boat which is up to their standards (safety equip etc). The RYA school issues certificates, NOT the instructor.

Also, if anything goes wrong, the 'private' instructor is unlikely to have any insurance cover unless instructing a RYA course.


"Can you point to a source for the law on that, have there been any prosecutions? Can you point to them?

Does it only count for money or does paying the mooring fees and buying a meal and a few beers count as payment? What if the skipper happens to be the one who walks up to the marina office and you pay him back when he returns?

I wouldn't feel comfortable sailing on someone else's boat unless I chipped in something financially in cash or in kind."

I think you will find specific 'legislation' for this on the MCA website!
 
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The OP's question was whether there was any way to do a Day Skipper course without sleeping on the boat. There isn't.

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People used to manage fine before the RYA (relatively recently) came up with the Day Skipper Money Making Scheme for Sailing Schools.
 
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People used to manage fine before the RYA (relatively recently) came up with the Day Skipper Money Making Scheme for Sailing Schools.

[/ QUOTE ] Entirely irrelevant to this thread and done to death in previous threads. You appear to be suffering from OCPD.

- W
 
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Sailing should be fun if you are happy doing a night passage across the channel and cooking three course meals good luck to you - if bliss is sailing up to a great pub and having dinner ashore it dosen't make you any less of a sailor. As long as you are having fun and not hurting anyone else good luck to you.

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Well said, oldsail3r. Some people on here seem to expect others to conform to their likes, dislikes and values rather than having their own.

Alan

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Was gonna make this point - but you've done it for me. As a late starter in this sport who had the audacity to go out and buy my own yacht, my wife and I have had to put up with a fair number of 'sailors' who think we are not real sailors because we haven't spent 20 years sailing dinghys and never had a contessa 32.
Sod 'em - do whatever you fancy. FWIW I love sailing, but also value my privacy as well as my time, hence I rarely, if ever, cook on the boat, and rarely have guests spend nights on the boat (besides no-one wants to stay on it now with a 3 year old and 1 year old on board!)

I did my comp crew and day skipper in the solent with sunsail - eat in a pub every night bar one, and had a relatively uncrowded yacht. they also do wimmins courses.
Also why not find another couple that you don't mind spending time with and book the course together?
Sailing to me, is about freedom, and that includes doing what the hell I want, not what some jaded 60's stereotype says I should be doing.
 
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Sod 'em - do whatever you fancy.

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I agree 100%. You just have to find the part of sailing that floats your boat and go with it. Cooking and washing up are only a part of one particular branch of sailing. And anyone who says you shouldn't sail because you don't like sharing a boat with others or don't want to want to put up with the cooking is really barking up the wrong tree. They only seem to have one constrained view of sailing. It does not have to be like that. You just have to find the sailing that fits with you.
 
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I think there are 2 very different issues here, the first is having to share a boat with a someone who thinks that the trip is a break from civilisation, i.e. pees on the seat, has one change of shirt for a fortnight and believes that showers are for when you get home. The second is actually living onboard. For the second issue, there is a range of levels from never setting foot on dry land until the trip is finished to ashore for shower every morning, pub lunch and evening meal in a restaurant.

While no one should have to suffer the first issue, I feel that a balance that meets the requirements of all crew and RYA sylabus should address the second issue.
 
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People used to manage fine before the RYA (relatively recently) came up with the Day Skipper Money Making Scheme for Sailing Schools.

What on Earth are you talking about?
I was instructing RYA Day Skipper courses in 1975 at the Island Cruising Club, and I fail to see how you can call 33 years ago 'relatively recently'. It makes me question what else you know, or don't know, about the RYA Training Scheme and its history.
 
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....and in addition to Yachties obsession of making life as hard as possible for themselves .ie. Yes, lets make dinner in 7, when we have got an hour to port, like proper sailors blah blah.
The most annoying thing that I found on Comp Crew/DS/Mile Building courses was the Instructors obsession with rolling his own fags - which always had to be done below. Usually in a big sea, with everyone looking a bit green and not 100% confident of our ability in the situation. And even when offered by the crew to buy them normal ciggies, the rejection was less to do with preference of Golden Virginia over B&H, more to do with "that would be too easy!!"
Why do people like making life hard for themselves as soon as they step on a sailing yacht? Very British I guess.
This is one of the reasons Im now of the MoBo persuasion.
.........my signature and motto in life, was born out of my experiences afloat with a rag and stick.
 
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