DIY submachine gun. Evening project

[single]

These are easy to make

 

[BurnitBlue]

I doubt it distorts them enough to make up the 50 or so gun deaths in the UK to the 10,000 or so in the US.

What you actually need on a yacht is a .50 cal. The good, old pink mist maker will cut their boat in half from a couple of miles or so.

PS did you mean QEF?

To compare gun murders between a country of 350 million which has at least one gun per family to a country of 65 million with virtually no legal guns is not logical. As I said in my previous posts victims of gun murders are obvious because they have holes in them and they bleed. A famous pathologist once remarked that EVERY death is caused by heart failure somewhere down the line. The cause of the heart failure is normally not investigated because of the sheer daily numbers. There has to be suspicion of "foul play" before money is spent on autopsy and blood screening.

It seems obvious to me that a gun culture will use guns. A non-gun culture will use methods that are not so obvious to detect. I reckon that the true comparisson using murders (if they all could be detected) and not just the detectable gun murders would not be so far apart.

The American "right to bear arms" was not put into law for self defence reasons. It was to keep any future government or dictatorship on its toes from an armed population. Also all those legal guns are part of American defence strategy. No fighting on the beaches with pitchforks for them. An occupying army would not last a week in USA.

BTW I am not in favour of guns. But I do like discussion.

 

[Marsupial]

Going anywhere in the world where pirates are active is daft, however from the comfort of a marina berth in turkey I offer this as a method of defending a yacht against intruders on the high sea. Invite them on board and deal with them, hide a few of these around the boat:

http://www.palmpistol.com/

the idea that you will be captured and released unharmed is a fantasy, my information is that most yotties are robbed raped and killed - dont go there.

The french resistance made and used the sten gun, they say it was easy to make in a garage workshop.

 

[Adrian_]

If you wield the knife then the whole crew have to wade in big time with knives and get very personal with the attackers. The objective is not give them room to manoeuvre weapons while killing them i.e. go berserk. If they are alongside and guns are visible you have one distinct advantage, height. Allow them to tie up and then throw yourself at the lead gunman, pushing him back as you thrust up and under the rib cage from the belly or waist, or into the neck. By this time the rest of your crew must also be lunging forward with knifes. Surprise and height, they wont be expecting it, kill them all. If there is a whole gang of them do nothing accept capture.

Teach your children how to remain invisible and be quite and then wield a knife in a deadly manner. Not being noticed is the best defence against violence, it's amazing how our egos trumpet our presence in potentially violent situations.
The best knifes have a 4" handle, with a 4 to 5" blade. The blade should be narrow and thin to allow it to easily penetrate, or at least taper to a narrow tip. Rambo style knifes take a significant amount of force to penetrate and will not go through ribs easily, unless of course you are built like Rambo.

Like most things in life, planning and the right tool used correctly is far more effective than randomness.

How about a tripod mounted M2 HB Browning or, even better, the soviet-designed NSV which, as a Zastava M87 NSVT, can be purchased in most ex Yugoslav states?
You'd be able to deal with any Somali pirates from a safe distance if having it properly installed on the boat when going trough the area. Not sure how you could legally clear customs with something like this onboard tho

The knife fight solution requires at least 3 fit adults onboard and all of them should be able to act in a coordinated manner in a very dangerous situation. Highly unlikelly to have such crew on most s/y.

 

[prv]

Not sure how you could legally clear customs with something like this onboard tho

A steel boat with internal cast-in-place ballast. Put a steel box in the keel as you pour the ballast, so that it ends up surrounded by the lead. Arrange the top so that there's a thin layer of lead over the join (easily removed with a blowtorch or some kind of power tool). Result ought to be undetectable to any visual inspection - as a bonus, it's opaque to X-rays too!

Oh, sorry, you did say "legally"

Pete

 

[ChrisE]

A steel boat with internal cast-in-place ballast. Put a steel box in the keel as you pour the ballast, so that it ends up surrounded by the lead. Arrange the top so that there's a thin layer of lead over the join (easily removed with a blowtorch or some kind of power tool). Result ought to be undetectable to any visual inspection - as a bonus, it's opaque to X-rays too!

Oh, sorry, you did say "legally"

Pete

Hmm, so let me get this right, you are proposing to weld your weapon into the keel each time you go into port? Then presumably you then unweald it as you get to the anchorage?

We've had some barmy ideas here, you're running close for the barmiest

Why not use the welding torch as a weapon and be done with the gun, sheesh ....

 

[Adrian_]

Or upgrade to a flamethrower? I'm wondering if such weapon would be illegal to carry onboard

A steel boat with internal cast-in-place ballast. Put a steel box in the keel as you pour the ballast, so that it ends up surrounded by the lead. Arrange the top so that there's a thin layer of lead over the join (easily removed with a blowtorch or some kind of power tool). Result ought to be undetectable to any visual inspection - as a bonus, it's opaque to X-rays too!

Oh, sorry, you did say "legally"

Pete

A valuable suggestion for all the smugglers tho .

 

[BurnitBlue]

Or upgrade to a flamethrower? I'm wondering if such weapon would be illegal to carry onboard

What a good idea. Many boats have a power pump in the bow for washing down the anchor chain. A simple Y valve to source petrol from the outboard jerrycan and bingo with a zippo lighter ... roasted Pirate. Perfect and totally legal.

 

[Adrian_]

Don't think it's that simple (if you want it to be safe and reliable to operate) but yes, that's the basic idea

 

[mawm]

Hmmm…self defense against people who have nothing to lose, unlikely to be caught and are probably used to killing. It sounds a sure way to get yourself killed.

Firstly one would have to identify the perpetrators whilst they are still a distance from your boat and then keep them there - mortars, canons, large bore rifles, RPG's, armed drones!!!! I pity the Sri Lankan fishermen.

Once close up they are sure to have superior firepower than a mom and pop yacht - AK 47's vs shotguns, hand guns, home made guns and flame throwers in the hands of the inexperienced and the unwilling. Anyway, if you want to go down this route and have a stand-off with weapons that you can probably legally carry on your boat then consider spearguns, very pistols, longbows, crossbows, Molotov cocktails, smoke grenades, etc.

Voodoo would probably be a better way to go - monkey skulls mounted on the bow, snake skins on the life lines, dead birds hanging from the spreaders, a witch doctor dancing on the foredeck (just joking).

It is probably better being killed than being imprisoned and abused in some Somali hellhole. I'd probably blow up my boat and take a few of them with me. LPG filled hulls make awesome bombs - turn on the gas, wait for them to come aboard and then flick a cigarette through the companionway - bang!

 

[BurnitBlue]

Don't think it's that simple (if you want it to be safe and reliable to operate) but yes, that's the basic idea

I love the smell of roasted pirate in the morning ... it smells of victory.

Robert Duval

 

[AntarcticPilot]

A steel boat with internal cast-in-place ballast. Put a steel box in the keel as you pour the ballast, so that it ends up surrounded by the lead. Arrange the top so that there's a thin layer of lead over the join (easily removed with a blowtorch or some kind of power tool). Result ought to be undetectable to any visual inspection - as a bonus, it's opaque to X-rays too!

Oh, sorry, you did say "legally"

Pete

You got that idea from Neville Shute's "Trustee from the Toolroom"!

 

[Heckler]

At a similar age I made something akin to a musket. Copper radiator pipe with one end crimped over, and a touchhole drilled in the side. Powder was made by crushing up the engine cartridges (similar to firework rockets) for the model rocket kits that were my hobby at the time. The projectile (after a few blank firings with thick wads) was a machine screw with nuts screwed on along the whole length of it to form a solid slug. Hexagonal, of course, in a round barrel, but I always used loo paper wadding behind it to provide a seal.

It made a hell of a bang, and easily knocked holes in the stout wooden fence at the other end of the garden. I wasn't daft enough to fire it from the shoulder, though - I used the electric igniters from the model rocket kits, and let it off from the safety of the garden shed via a long wire in case of a breech explosion.

Pete

Sodium chlorate and sugar, plus copper pipes, 14 or 15 years of age. My mate found out the hard way that if you bashed the end of the copper tube over with a bit of the mixture trapped it did ignite! It blew the end of his thumb off! He then graduated to steel conduit, drilled a hole in the end for Jetex fuse, (remember that?) with a half inch bolt dropped in the end. He discovered that it would go thru his dads garage door, down the drive thru another garage door across the lane and thru the back window of a vauxhall. The bolt tumbled, we knew that from the bolt shaped hole in the second garage door!
Ho hum!
Stu

 

[Habebty]

You lot are thinking far far too small......homemade RPGs are the way to go

There are a whole load of gun nut weirdos on you tube ready to help out

Sorry, haven't figured out how to paste YouTube links using the iPad version of youtube

 

[Mmutch]

i like the idea of the drone a small cheepy rc aircraft thats got a good range say at least 1/2 nm with some explosives that can be easly made from legal chemicals fly over the suspect approaching boat if they start shooting at it go kamikaze and blow a hole in the boat that would slow them down for long enough for you to escape