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What I tend to notice at anchour is the larger say 40ft boats that carry PWC and then let there kids speed around other anchoured boats, that really annoys me and then to make matters worse that larger boat then turns his music up to share - how thoughtful!

Afraid there seems to be an increase of inconsiderate boaters over the last few years from motor to sail.
 
Nick_H said:
Oh come on, are you seriously suggesting their driving was so dangerous that you daren't even go in the water?
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Erhhh, Yes – the parents of the kids, myself & my wife (unwisely?) made the judgement call that small children & jetskis don’t belong in the same water space. Incidentally that’s why beaches have separation zones for swimmers…:confused:
 
How re-assuring

I kicked off the original posting on scuttlebutt about jetskis through moorings

and it rather ran out of control

- and thought I would tentatively stray across the divide to see if there was a parallel thread here.

I have to say I am really impressed by the excessive reasonableness of the majority of people who posted to this thread.

Things were getting pretty ugly in the bearpit that is the scuttlebutt

I hope you can take this the right way but guys are so civilised and reasonable.

And my blokes on jetskis in west mersea are not a patch on those twassocks in Ireland.

Bl**dy Nora

Dylan

http://www.youtube.com/user/dylanwinter1#play/user/DCCD9E425AB79637
 
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epervier said:
My prejudices, yachtsmen trying to tack up beaulieu river, when common sense says start the engine and go in a straight line,


one thing more, my accent, 'eavy 'ampshire.
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I fort it was just us Essex geezers wot drop ar aiches......you guys darn sarf do it 'n all do yer?

It can be perfectly safe, seamanlike, considerate and legal to sail in places like the Beaulieu river (which I know well). It's also one of life's great treasures.

When in 'mobo' mode, I have never had difficulty avoiding 'raggies' (similarly, I've never had problems with racing fleets, whether in Chichester, Burnham, River Tamar etc). Maybe the problem is that many of us 'moboers' don't understand sailing enough to anticipate a 'raggies' next move?

Many moboers don't seem to have any appreciation at all of the pure, simple, sublime, almost spiritual, joy of moving under wind power only.....a totally different experience to motoring in straight lines.
 
dylanwinter said:
I have to say I am really impressed by the excessive reasonableness of the majority of people who posted to this thread.

Things were getting pretty ugly in the bearpit that is the scuttlebutt

I hope you can take this the right way but guys are so civilised and reasonable.
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Excellent post Dylan.
It's a shame that the decent views of most motorboaters came as a surprise to you, but it would to quite a few sailors, sadly.
Good of you to post this though, lets hope a few of the vocal, anti all mobo brigade are big enough to stop tarring everyone with the minority's brush.
"Excess of reasonableness" on a mobo - whatever next!:)
 
Elessar said:
Excellent post Dylan.
It's a shame that the decent views of most motorboaters came as a surprise to you, but it would to quite a few sailors, sadly.
Good of you to post this though, lets hope a few of the vocal, anti all mobo brigade are big enough to stop tarring everyone with the minority's brush.
"Excess of reasonableness" on a mobo - whatever next!:)
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Agreed - what a really refreshing change!

It almost feels like we have a common interest ie being on the water, enjoying the challenges, skills, scenery and conviviality of just messing around in boats.
 
sir jasper said:
Erhhh, Yes – the parents of the kids, myself & my wife (unwisely?) made the judgement call that small children & jetskis don’t belong in the same water space. Incidentally that’s why beaches have separation zones for swimmers…:confused:
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Would you let them swim when there's people using their tenders to get from boat to shore? Outboards are far more dangerous as they have props spinning round, and the tender driver usually has a much worse view than a jetski driver, as there can be people sat in front of them.
 
Nick_H said:
Would you let them swim when there's people using their tenders to get from boat to shore? Outboards are far more dangerous as they have props spinning round, and the tender driver usually has a much worse view than a jetski driver, as there can be people sat in front of them.
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Erhhh, yes… tenders tend not be using anchored craft as “traffic cones” weaving in & out at high speed. If the situation ever arises where there are a fleet of tenders/ribs weaving/manoeuvring around our craft in a similar way then I would also stop the kids from swimming….
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Well i've seen jet skis drive too fast through an anchorage, but i've never seen them "using anchored craft like traffic cones, weaving in and out at high speed". Maybe i've just been lucky for the six years i've regularly anchored out.
 
Nick_H said:
Would you let them swim when there's people using their tenders to get from boat to shore? Outboards are far more dangerous as they have props spinning round, and the tender driver usually has a much worse view than a jetski driver, as there can be people sat in front of them.
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Agree with that. Whilst PWC's can be irritating, they're generally being used away from anchored boats and you don't see them whizzing around in close proximity to anchored boats. Tenders, as you say, are more dangerous because they're often being driven carelessly to/from anchored boats and, as you say, have spinning props
 
Nick_H said:
Well i've seen jet skis drive too fast through an anchorage, but i've never seen them "using anchored craft like traffic cones, weaving in and out at high speed". Maybe i've just been lucky for the six years i've regularly anchored out.
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So, to summarize – if you haven’t personally witnessed an event it has never happened!!! Take a look at the links Sarabande posted above – I’m not alone…
 
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"It can be perfectly safe, seamanlike, considerate and legal to sail in places like the Beaulieu river (which I know well). It's also one of life's great treasures."

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I didn't say or imply,it wasn't safe, or illegal.

Considerate however? when at a weekend on a rising tide, traffic, motor and sailors alike, chasing down river to the Solent, and some body in a 40' yacht thinks it's seamanlike,and legal to tack his way up river against the flotilla of craft coming his way, consideration, wasn't even in his vocabulary.

As you know the river well, you know there's not a lot of room for this sort of game, most certainly he would have to stop well before he reached RSYC. even dingy races are escorted by the HM because of the heavy traffic up and down the river, but you already knew that.
 
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Nothing really to add, other than to reinforce the fact that, as a raggie, I know, as do all my raggie friends, that the overwhelming majority of mobers are sensible considerate fellow users of the water.

I can't though even begin to imagine why anyone would defend the moronic behaviour of speeding through the moorings. Which to reinforce my point above, you haven't done.

My kids love to go out in the tender (with oars - they're not old enough to be sensible with an engine yet), but we let them out with serious consideration to the circumstances, allowing for tides, weather, and above all, other water users. This particular jetskier appears to have even less sense than my young children.

PS... i'm not for banning jetskis in any way.... I believe in people being able to use the water in whatever way they choose....
 
Speeding doesn't kill. Being an idiot kills.
We all speed every day in our cars. Who doesn't drive at 80mph on the motorway or 70 in a 60, at least sometimes. Cranking up a few extra knots even in a restricted speed area of water might be breaking the rules, but if there are no boats moored closely, no people getting on/off boats etc etc, it is carries little risk. Driving a car in a built up area, outside a school/nursery/park/high street etc is plain stupid. Sometimes sticking to 30 is inadvisable.
Anyone racing a craft when it is just plain stupid to do so, should be heavily fined. Anyone doing so when a it is clearly against the rules, as opposed to dangerous should be warned.
On the whole sail is better than power. Who feels a bit embarrassed using a gas bbq?
 
woodenman said:
On the whole sail is better than power.
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until you require the assistance of one of these;-

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woodenman said:
Who feels a bit embarrassed using a gas bbq?
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and the relevance to this particular post?????

Although if you need an answer, I don't care, as long as the food is presented well and not burnt.

Just a couple of questions, A, were you born in 1955? B, do you have a twin called Jenny?

http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/tv/children/watchwm/watchwm.htm#The Woodentops
 
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woodenman said:
Who feels a bit embarrassed using a gas bbq?
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Well I have to say I have a possibly primitive preference for stoking up the coals, although the convenience of a gas BBQ has its attractions.

However, accepting, just for the purpose of your question, that CO2 emitted from gas BBQs and charcoal is 'a bad thing', do you know, as a matter of measured and verifiable fact, that the aggregate volume of CO2 released by the production and combustion of butane (or whatever gas fuel is used) by a gas BBQ for a given quantity of food cooked is materially more than the volume released by the production and combustion of charcoal for the same quantity of food; making allowance for the fact that a charcoal BBQ will inevitably produce a lot of heat that is unused for cooking because of the time to get the charcoal up to temperaure and the time when it is 'burning down'?
 
OK, it was a bit abstract. It's a similar kind of occasional one upmanship. If you use gas, it's not a proper BBQ, it's cheating. Not real BBQ. A proper BBQ takes effort, real coal, etc. A bit like some people's view of Motor v Sail. It just makes me smile how we humans will always try to find a way to elevate ourselves morally, ethically or socially above others, one way or tother.
I do feel guilty about the whole gas thing now though observer.
 
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