Diesel Costs.

[Alistairr]

A friend of mine has a 1989 Sealine 215, which he is currently wanting to change. They are looking at either a nearly new Regal 2460 or Sealine S24, They wanted diesel for reduced running costs. I have been following this forum for some time now, and have picked up that there have been a few things said about possible rise in diesel for marine use. I mentioned this to them, and they asked if i could find out more about it, They don,t want to go out and spend an extra £5k to £10k to get a diesel motor if they are gonna bring the price of diesel in line with petrol, and lose out on resale.
Also can you please recommend any web sites that i can find such boats for them, diesel or petrol..

Cheers..

Alistair...

P.s. There favorite boats are the Aquadors,But can't afford them.



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[byron]

Try here
http://www.boats-for-sale.com/
lastly of course here

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[TomIsitt]

Cheap red diesel for leisure craft will continue until 2007 (if memory serves), after which the EU bods will vote again on the subject. It seems unlikely that we'll be allowed to get away with it after that, but then that's what we thought last time it come up for a vote, yet somehow we managed to hang on to it. The RYA have been campaigning to keep it, so you might try www.rya.org.uk

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[Alistairr]

Thanks Byron,

Theres certainly plenty to chose from.



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[Alistairr]

Thanks Tom, If the EU bods get there way in 2007, do you think the hike would be immediate, or brought in a year or two after that.
And will that bring the resale value of diesel boats down,??? Or will the value of petrol boats rise!!!

Cheers..

Alistair...



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[TwoStroke]

In my mind - should it happen then diesel will always command a premium to petrol (due to less running costs - as with the car industry). It is only now that diesel cars are becoming so popular that the manufacturers are able to sell diesel cars for the same price as petrol vehicles - although they do command a small premium on the used market.

Petrol boats I doubt will increase in value as people are used to paying current market values for them (similar with cars). You may find that new diesel boats may fall in value due to the running cost equation being reduced considerably as manufacturers will be unable to justify the vast capital cost over petrol. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Moose]

So come on, somebody explain how they can sell petrol in a petrol station cheaper than diesel?

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[Alistairr]

But will the running costs still be cheaper to run diesel than petrol.
I thought the cost of servicing was quite a bit more for diesel.
I know that you should get better mpg or gph, but is that enough?



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[rickp]

Isn't the push to harmonise the diesel fuel duty across the EU? So the pressure would be for us to lose the advantages of cheap diesel for boating, but the duty to go to a level matching that in the rest of Europe.

I can see our Chancellor wanting to add duty for non-road use of diesel, but I can see them being less happy with losing the current comparatively high rates on road use diesel.

The conspiracy theorists amoungst us can now suggest that the sudden interest in noting who uses red diesel (and for what purpose) is related to this

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[Happy1]

And if it was that similar would people not prefer the better performance from petrol and less noise and fumes?

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[wakeup]

If they are harmonising then petrol will become

cheaper and diesel will become more expensive so its just not one side of an equation. Petrol may seem to be even more attractive if you knock 15ppl off and then tax diesel.

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[Happy1]

Honesty

Who on the forum would keep their diesel boats if they could get a petrol boat at the same price, and with the fuel at the same price?

And if you wouldn't change, what do you see as the pro's and con's of each in a level playing field e.g purchase price and fuel price?

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[Gordonmc]

If there's harmonisation of duty on marine diesel I can see many diesel owners going over to petrol engines... so they can convert to CNG or LPG.

Mind you... if consumers switch to gas GordonB will, no doubt take some interest. (Assuming he's still around).

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[TomIsitt]

Re: Honesty

Reliability of a low-revving diesel engine, and the fact that 500 litres of petrol on board is a fairly potent bomb should a fire start. But even if we "harmonise" with the EU, that won't necessarily mean diesel and petrol will cost the same...they don't at petrol stations (diesel is considerably cheaper than petrol).

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[martynwhiteley]

I know the subjects dear to my heart at the moment, but please remember:

The 120hp Merc. D1.7L DTI out performs the 135hp 3.0L petrol Merc. in just about every department. It's quieter, faster, dosen't smoke, and far more economical, and although I can vouch for it myself now, there is a lot of supporting evidence available on the net.

I'm sure that new diesel marine engines will continue to push the performance issues even further. Petrol can only be best for sea based day boating, and any equalisation of costs will not change that.

If you we looking to buy a 10 year old boat with 700 hours on the clock, I'm sure diesel power would always be a much preferred choice, hence higher cost.

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[h4nym]

Diesel - all the way. Safer, better torque, more available. Quayside petrol is fast disappearing...

Hear the argument about LPG - but that's banned on the river! And in all seriousness, chip fat / bio-diesels have their attractions...

If they do harmonise Diesel duty - and we see duty coming down to European levels, I could probably live with it... if, however we start having to pay a pound a litre, I'd be leading the protests - how's about we all gather on the Thames somewhere in the region of Westminster and test our horns for a couple of hours?

Alternatively, of course, solent boaters can find the homes of the local MPs and test their horns outside there!

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[andy_wilson]

Because it costs less wholesale. All depends on supply and demand of the various fractions of crude oil. Giesel gets expensive in winter as demand for fuel oil rises.

etc.

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[andyball]

Re: Honesty

Many modern.fast diesels are far from low-revving

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[oldgit]

Re: after 5 years +

IMHO.
Any petrol with raw water cooling.....Shagged and a real money pit.Will keep you on the edge of your seat wondering if it will get you home.Still, keeps the RNLI and the spares peeps in work.
diesel...........another few hunded hours and it will be nicely run in./forums/images/icons/laugh.gif


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[byron]

Personally I don't think the harmonisation lobby will have an easy ride of it in 2006. We aren't the only country with a red diesel policy. Finland & Belgium are just two more, there are others too I believe. Everyone will have to agree before it can be enforced. Furthermore as I stated here a couple of years back. If they do bring it in then some enterprising Greek will moor an old Tanker outside the 3 mile limit and sell from there.

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