alant
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Diesel \'cooker\'
Recommendations please.
Recommendations please.
Diesel 'cooker'
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
Don't get one
Don't get one
trouville
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
i agree,ive had to change from butain to propain air liquid and it works so well tea without that long wait,just reme ber to tutn off the main val e
the thought of cooking with petrol or deisels unthinkable
i agree,ive had to change from butain to propain air liquid and it works so well tea without that long wait,just reme ber to tutn off the main val e
the thought of cooking with petrol or deisels unthinkable
Heckler
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
where you at now john?
stu
where you at now john?
stu
ccscott49
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
Dont.
Dont.
alant
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\' or Non-Butane/Propane cooker or stove.
No-one seems to like diesel, so whats left for a small yacht?
Ideas please.
No-one seems to like diesel, so whats left for a small yacht?
Ideas please.
ccscott49
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\' or Non-Butane/Propane cooker or stove.
Gas. Easiest, cleanest. In some ways safest. As long as the instalation is done properly with the shortest pipe runs possible, gas will be OK. Gas detetctor as well forgot that.
Gas. Easiest, cleanest. In some ways safest. As long as the instalation is done properly with the shortest pipe runs possible, gas will be OK. Gas detetctor as well forgot that.
alant
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\' or Non-Butane/Propane cooker or stove.
Non gas systems please.
Non gas systems please.
ccscott49
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\' or Non-Butane/Propane cooker or stove.
Why not? Had a frightening experience? Your left with paraffin, alcohol, electricity, or solid fuel. how big a vessel are we talking here?
Why not? Had a frightening experience? Your left with paraffin, alcohol, electricity, or solid fuel. how big a vessel are we talking here?
ShipsWoofy
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
I looked at these in frustration after my surveyor caused my insurance company to get jumpy about my gas installation - All sorted now - with a new gas cooker and pipes, locker, etc etc....
The number one problem I saw was waiting 45 plus minutes to boil the kettle, not to boil the water but to heat the stove up enough to start the boiling process.
No grill. So fiddling with those wire contraptions that hold bread over the hobs at an angle. I reckon after about an hour you may get slightly singed bread. For me who loves hot toast on a cold passage that was a killer.
The ovens are tiny, a waste of time from what I saw.
The only real way to use a diesel oven is to have it running 24hrs. In summer in a small living space on an average sized yacht, can you imagine, it would be horrible. At least with gas, it is on, hot, off.
And, they are really really expensive IMO.
The only advantages I could see, the oven would also heat radiators and a hot water tank.
I looked at these in frustration after my surveyor caused my insurance company to get jumpy about my gas installation - All sorted now - with a new gas cooker and pipes, locker, etc etc....
The number one problem I saw was waiting 45 plus minutes to boil the kettle, not to boil the water but to heat the stove up enough to start the boiling process.
No grill. So fiddling with those wire contraptions that hold bread over the hobs at an angle. I reckon after about an hour you may get slightly singed bread. For me who loves hot toast on a cold passage that was a killer.
The ovens are tiny, a waste of time from what I saw.
The only real way to use a diesel oven is to have it running 24hrs. In summer in a small living space on an average sized yacht, can you imagine, it would be horrible. At least with gas, it is on, hot, off.
And, they are really really expensive IMO.
The only advantages I could see, the oven would also heat radiators and a hot water tank.
milltech
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
It happens, just at the moment, to be a heat wave, but I've had and enjoyed diesel cookers on a boat. The best of the lot, the Perkins Galleypak is no longer made, and the long heat up time for Dickinson and Sigmar cookers is correct, but I think the Wallas one is pretty instantaneous, or maybe an owner will put me right.
It's cosier than a gas cooker, the heat is dry heat so it's better for the boat, and I do worry about the gas, expecially so since I've got the crappiest cooker in the known universe in the form of a Neptune.
If refitting I would be taking a close look at the Wallas.
It happens, just at the moment, to be a heat wave, but I've had and enjoyed diesel cookers on a boat. The best of the lot, the Perkins Galleypak is no longer made, and the long heat up time for Dickinson and Sigmar cookers is correct, but I think the Wallas one is pretty instantaneous, or maybe an owner will put me right.
It's cosier than a gas cooker, the heat is dry heat so it's better for the boat, and I do worry about the gas, expecially so since I've got the crappiest cooker in the known universe in the form of a Neptune.
If refitting I would be taking a close look at the Wallas.
AngusMcDoon
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
I've used a Wallas on a friend's boat. Heat up time was a few minutes, not too long to wait, but not instantaneous either. Cool down time is much slower.
The heat is dry and certainly warms the cabin.
The biggest problem was the startup power required. The pre-heat coil took so much current we had to start the engine to get it to go. The boat's batteries may not have been 100% at the time, but who wants that hassle every time you want a cuppa?
I've used a Wallas on a friend's boat. Heat up time was a few minutes, not too long to wait, but not instantaneous either. Cool down time is much slower.
The heat is dry and certainly warms the cabin.
The biggest problem was the startup power required. The pre-heat coil took so much current we had to start the engine to get it to go. The boat's batteries may not have been 100% at the time, but who wants that hassle every time you want a cuppa?
milltech
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
It's probably a motor sailer / motor boat option because of the start up power and I think there's a fan in there too and probably a pump and who knows what else. Still, if the battery had been anywhere near charged it shouldn't have been a problem.
They also double as cabin heaters in winter, drop the cover and the fan blows hot air out of the front, not something the gas cooker can do well.
It's probably a motor sailer / motor boat option because of the start up power and I think there's a fan in there too and probably a pump and who knows what else. Still, if the battery had been anywhere near charged it shouldn't have been a problem.
They also double as cabin heaters in winter, drop the cover and the fan blows hot air out of the front, not something the gas cooker can do well.
AngusMcDoon
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
> I think there's a fan in there too
yes
> and probably a pump
yes, one of those
> and who knows what else.
yes again. lots of electronics and an LED or two.
> Still, if the battery had been anywhere near charged it shouldn't have been a problem.
and yes again. But we were sailing rather than motoring, and the problem usually showed itself at night when the batteries were down because of nav light use. The batteries were solar charged during the day. Starting the engine for a 3am cup of tea was often unpopular. We bought a couple of flasks and used those instead.
> I think there's a fan in there too
yes
> and probably a pump
yes, one of those
> and who knows what else.
yes again. lots of electronics and an LED or two.
> Still, if the battery had been anywhere near charged it shouldn't have been a problem.
and yes again. But we were sailing rather than motoring, and the problem usually showed itself at night when the batteries were down because of nav light use. The batteries were solar charged during the day. Starting the engine for a 3am cup of tea was often unpopular. We bought a couple of flasks and used those instead.
samen
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
I am also looking for diesl stove recomendations. I need an international fuel rather than a new gas bottle, regualtor every country. We have 1200L of diesel and spend time in cold climates. Anyone out there with experience rather than opinions? My main concern is an ungimballed stove.
I am also looking for diesl stove recomendations. I need an international fuel rather than a new gas bottle, regualtor every country. We have 1200L of diesel and spend time in cold climates. Anyone out there with experience rather than opinions? My main concern is an ungimballed stove.
30boat
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
Well I have a Wallas parafin cooker wich is basically the same and I can boil a kettle in more or less 6 mns after switching on.I think it's very good and very economical.50hrs cooking at max setting for 5 ltrs parafin.
Well I have a Wallas parafin cooker wich is basically the same and I can boil a kettle in more or less 6 mns after switching on.I think it's very good and very economical.50hrs cooking at max setting for 5 ltrs parafin.
30boat
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Re: Diesel \'cooker\'
Never had a problem with startup with my wallas.I never had to start the engine and the high power draw only lasts for a mn or two...
Never had a problem with startup with my wallas.I never had to start the engine and the high power draw only lasts for a mn or two...
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Not yacht !! But had it on a coaster ...
We had a diesel fueled range on one acid tanker I sailed on ... We had to get the AB to light it at least 2 -3 hrs before cook started work ...
It had a drip feed via a sight glass ... so it was set the drips to x speed, light the range and leave it to get hot. It had one temp ... and a crude form of control ... vent open / closed which didn't do much for temp control. All food had a taint of diesel .... we had service guys check it out - pronounced good order etc.
Since then I've always had a bias against them ... bit unfair really ...
Jim - mate of mine changed to a spirit stove .... mmmmmmm not really for me - has no oven or proper grill.
I agree that gas is subject to installing well and having draining lockers etc. - but suits me better .... a full english brekkies on toast is served up tout suite al a gas !!!
I'm interested to read about alternatives though as my cooker is an old'un and will need replacement in not too distant future ...... and if coastal / offshore regs go same as Inland Waterways with all the Corgi fitter req'ts etc. - may just have to change ... till then a 99p spark igniter gets my calor cooker alight easily ......
We had a diesel fueled range on one acid tanker I sailed on ... We had to get the AB to light it at least 2 -3 hrs before cook started work ...
It had a drip feed via a sight glass ... so it was set the drips to x speed, light the range and leave it to get hot. It had one temp ... and a crude form of control ... vent open / closed which didn't do much for temp control. All food had a taint of diesel .... we had service guys check it out - pronounced good order etc.
Since then I've always had a bias against them ... bit unfair really ...
Jim - mate of mine changed to a spirit stove .... mmmmmmm not really for me - has no oven or proper grill.
I agree that gas is subject to installing well and having draining lockers etc. - but suits me better .... a full english brekkies on toast is served up tout suite al a gas !!!
I'm interested to read about alternatives though as my cooker is an old'un and will need replacement in not too distant future ...... and if coastal / offshore regs go same as Inland Waterways with all the Corgi fitter req'ts etc. - may just have to change ... till then a 99p spark igniter gets my calor cooker alight easily ......
Mirelle
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Japanese domestic?
Those things were, maybe still are, standard spec. on Japanese domestic spec. ships; never seen one on a European built ship or a Japanese export ship.
Awful things.
Those things were, maybe still are, standard spec. on Japanese domestic spec. ships; never seen one on a European built ship or a Japanese export ship.
Awful things.
G
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Bulk Acid Tankers ....
Miltom Marine Mgmt ......... later under the old Denholms crowd ....
UK and N.Europe trade ......... 1000 MT DWT stainless steel tanks.
Vessel : MT Unicorn Odabo .... built Germany I think ....
Funny enough we had a ballast problem in the locks right next to where the Cherbourg meet will be in Sept. I loaded 990 MT of 97% conc. Sulphuric Acid .... pumped out ballast and ent to bed waiting for tide / pilot. Later we sailed .... let go lines and she felt VERY tender ..... in fact she started to loll ......... so it was full ahead and 'stuff' her alongside the lock wall. Lines were quickly put ashore and we literally lolled against the wall at an increasing angle till she just leant .....
Basically we had a three way ballast valve that controlled the ballast in and out .... that had been jammed slightly opne by a piece of rusty ballast pipe that had broken away and passed down the pipe ......
It was an act of sheer faith to do down into the double bottoms with ship in that state ... but we did it, bandit patched the hole in the line, took valve apart and cleaned .... put back and pumped out the ballast water that had flooded back in ....
We were actually filmed while 'lolling' against the lock wall !!!
Another time coming out of Cherbourg at night ........ was when the Stena Line Ferry turned over .... starlit night with little wind etc .... the VHF traffic was bordering manic .... unfortunately very little we could have done .... terrible night ...
Miltom Marine Mgmt ......... later under the old Denholms crowd ....
UK and N.Europe trade ......... 1000 MT DWT stainless steel tanks.
Vessel : MT Unicorn Odabo .... built Germany I think ....
Funny enough we had a ballast problem in the locks right next to where the Cherbourg meet will be in Sept. I loaded 990 MT of 97% conc. Sulphuric Acid .... pumped out ballast and ent to bed waiting for tide / pilot. Later we sailed .... let go lines and she felt VERY tender ..... in fact she started to loll ......... so it was full ahead and 'stuff' her alongside the lock wall. Lines were quickly put ashore and we literally lolled against the wall at an increasing angle till she just leant .....
Basically we had a three way ballast valve that controlled the ballast in and out .... that had been jammed slightly opne by a piece of rusty ballast pipe that had broken away and passed down the pipe ......
It was an act of sheer faith to do down into the double bottoms with ship in that state ... but we did it, bandit patched the hole in the line, took valve apart and cleaned .... put back and pumped out the ballast water that had flooded back in ....
We were actually filmed while 'lolling' against the lock wall !!!
Another time coming out of Cherbourg at night ........ was when the Stena Line Ferry turned over .... starlit night with little wind etc .... the VHF traffic was bordering manic .... unfortunately very little we could have done .... terrible night ...
