Plevier
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http://www.stjohnsupplies.co.uk/products/default.asp?productId=F11931 says they cut seat belts - should do a dog collar. (Could ask the forum's resident Padre.)
didn't last many minuets..... scissors vs sharp knife
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PetiteFleur
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What you need are a proper pair of Made in Sheffield tailoring shears - about £50 from memory, there is one firm in Sheffield which is still making them but I forget the name. My wife has a pair and I'm not even allowed to pick them up let alone use them!
BarryH
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Basically it was a short post with a link to a video which showed that a pair of cheap "cut anything" scissors like the picture below would not cut through a webbing dog collar whereas a double bladed knife sliced through it in the blink of an eye.
The poster confessed to a commercial interest as he sold the knives .
The link actually did not work .. a little sleuthing was needed to even find the video.
I reckon one of the self appointed forum policemen must have spotted the post, found the video and pressed the alarm button. I dont beleive the mods really would have found it themselves. They'd have been "putting their hats and coats on" by then in order to dash off to the station as soon as the hands on the clock reached "going home time", or the boss had gone, whichever was the sooner.
They go through motorcycle leathers very easily. I was amazed at how they made mincemeat of my 500 quid set of leathers.........
Searush
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They cut the full length plaster off my leg in seconds.
Sailingsaves
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Yes it was me who was banned / moderated for an hour or so.
I did not have my signature at the end of the post either, but I was so put out that some nasty person had knee jerk reaction that I have reinstated my signature.
Someone even said "Looks like a trader" and that it was my first post !
And I am the one that has been refusing to sell the large contralube 770 tubes for knock down prices since I was told it was a "no, no". I have never sold anything via the forums.
Someone once posted how good the scissors were. I purchased 4 pairs from Amazon, kept 2 pairs, and gave others to family. Then I had to cut dog's collar (as per video) and they were poor.
This was the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lune1qujV8Q
or here
http://www.allproductdesign.co.uk/safety knives.html
and if the link didn't work who pushed the button? Anyone got the balls to own up?
I could not believe that I could not post anything for about an hour.
Point is (no pun intended), no one knife will do all jobs just as we all know boats are a compromise to meet the owner's requirements.
So I own quite a few knives, but the one in the video is my favourite and very cleverly designed.
Have always been interested in knives since I read about a catamaran sailor that did not drown after a capsize because he cut the net above his head that was holding him under the water.
So yes, I hope it makes people think about knives. Safety knives that is _ one at each winch and one knife per person (minimum).
I did not have my signature at the end of the post either, but I was so put out that some nasty person had knee jerk reaction that I have reinstated my signature.
Someone even said "Looks like a trader" and that it was my first post !
And I am the one that has been refusing to sell the large contralube 770 tubes for knock down prices since I was told it was a "no, no". I have never sold anything via the forums.
Someone once posted how good the scissors were. I purchased 4 pairs from Amazon, kept 2 pairs, and gave others to family. Then I had to cut dog's collar (as per video) and they were poor.
This was the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lune1qujV8Q
or here
http://www.allproductdesign.co.uk/safety knives.html
and if the link didn't work who pushed the button? Anyone got the balls to own up?
I could not believe that I could not post anything for about an hour.
Point is (no pun intended), no one knife will do all jobs just as we all know boats are a compromise to meet the owner's requirements.
So I own quite a few knives, but the one in the video is my favourite and very cleverly designed.
Have always been interested in knives since I read about a catamaran sailor that did not drown after a capsize because he cut the net above his head that was holding him under the water.
So yes, I hope it makes people think about knives. Safety knives that is _ one at each winch and one knife per person (minimum).
VicS
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Who is going to push the button this time
(BTW there are rules about links in signatures .........
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Billjratt
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Hmm. It was a two handed manoeuvre in "stretched cloth" mode when the knife was used, even if the camera was too low to show everything. Perhaps the scissors test should have had the same conditions...
Thanks for the link to the other scissors previously, I forgot to mention I was left-handed and they have a suitable product, but no way of buying online it appears. Been so long in the right-handed world that I had to adjust to the dexter side anyway...
Thanks for the link to the other scissors previously, I forgot to mention I was left-handed and they have a suitable product, but no way of buying online it appears. Been so long in the right-handed world that I had to adjust to the dexter side anyway...
Rigger Mortice
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It's a bit rich coming on here promoting products and then to moan about being moderated or that somebody may have hit the report button.
I wonder if those knives are stainless? The one which uses a stanley blade will rust in no time on a boat.
I wonder if those knives are stainless? The one which uses a stanley blade will rust in no time on a boat.
Sailingsaves
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My first post stated that I sold the knives, but did NOT have my signature, so no one could have bought from me - I posted the video for interest sake and was not going to be an hypocrite and state I had no link (as everyone does) when I did have an interest.
I was not offering it for sale.
I was on the practical forum showing that the scissors were not as good as everyone said.
I have never sold anything on any forum, but if you want to believe in the scissors carry on.
The knife is amazing, the video demo poor; it was like the proverbial knife through butter, videoing it and having to cut a little end off the webbing - hence the two handed bodge.
Stainless with two spare blades. At least 12 mm rope - I haven't actually measure it yet, I believe it will cut thicker. And better than many other safety knives I have.
Now Sailorman moaned that it was my first post and called me a trader. 30 seconds later the post vanished.
I asked Sailorman what the difference was between me and Angus' YAPPs (who I have bought from and respect a lot) but Sailorman did not answer.
The person selling winch covers seems unscathed.
I was an R&D scientist and I like experimenting; whether it is mould / mildew removing products or knives.
PS If you think those orange hammers for smashing car windows are any good, think again. I have one in my car but will be replacing it soon. My fist is more effective than the hammer and that has been proved, but I don't have a video.
I don't sell hammers.
Bru
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I reckon about 09:15 on Monday morning 
sarabande
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right, this is a personal comment.
I reckon Sailorman (bless his cotton socks, he's a very good, loyal and contributory forumite) if he did report the OP, got it wrong for once. The comments and video that Salingsaves has posted are germane to our sport and promote a useful item, which will one day almost certainly help some poor bloke struggling to cut a jackstay that's wrapped round his foot, or a line wrapped in a riding turn round a winch.
I, for one, will get a couple of those stainless steel snips as part of the boat first aid kit, but I can see from the very useful video that the material causes the scissor blades to separate, thus destroying any ability to shear the webbing. The scissors, thus, have a limited but important function.
Why was the original taken down ? Was it a professional moderator action, or one of the new membermods ? Unlikely that Sailorman's warning could have been acted upon that quickly by a membermod, and to be frank I don't really mind who dunnit. It is important that the ability to act quickly to protect IPC's management of the forum is there; on this occasion, a reason for excision of the thread would explain what someone did wrong: this would create a clear form of precedent, and we would understand much better what posts are acceptable, and why. It's not knowing the boundaries that makes life difficult.
Yes, perhaps Sailingsaves could have made his connection more explicit, but on what has been said, and what we have been shown from the video, I don't think that the advertising line was crossed. The video benefited the sailing audience.
I reckon Sailorman (bless his cotton socks, he's a very good, loyal and contributory forumite) if he did report the OP, got it wrong for once. The comments and video that Salingsaves has posted are germane to our sport and promote a useful item, which will one day almost certainly help some poor bloke struggling to cut a jackstay that's wrapped round his foot, or a line wrapped in a riding turn round a winch.
I, for one, will get a couple of those stainless steel snips as part of the boat first aid kit, but I can see from the very useful video that the material causes the scissor blades to separate, thus destroying any ability to shear the webbing. The scissors, thus, have a limited but important function.
Why was the original taken down ? Was it a professional moderator action, or one of the new membermods ? Unlikely that Sailorman's warning could have been acted upon that quickly by a membermod, and to be frank I don't really mind who dunnit. It is important that the ability to act quickly to protect IPC's management of the forum is there; on this occasion, a reason for excision of the thread would explain what someone did wrong: this would create a clear form of precedent, and we would understand much better what posts are acceptable, and why. It's not knowing the boundaries that makes life difficult.
Yes, perhaps Sailingsaves could have made his connection more explicit, but on what has been said, and what we have been shown from the video, I don't think that the advertising line was crossed. The video benefited the sailing audience.
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William_H
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Thanks Vic for the explanation of the post. Lots of commments about various scissors. I found the biggest challenge for scissors is cutting kevlar cloth. This stuff is thin and soft so just slips between the blades of the scissors.
I have however had a lot of success sharpening scissors. Just look closely at the angle of the ground portion and grind some more. I use an oil stone with scissors blade in a vice. You do need to check the shape of the blades as they curve together to a small degree and likewise the pivot rivet or bolt needs to be tight but not too tight. So0 as the scissors come together the blades get a little bent apart progressivel from that first contact point.
As for taylors scissors. yes quite expensive but generally having long blades so a long cut makes it easier to get a smoothe edge.
For tough material the other sectret is big long handles compared to blade length. I would generally prefer scissors (sharp) to a knife for most jobs. olewill
I have however had a lot of success sharpening scissors. Just look closely at the angle of the ground portion and grind some more. I use an oil stone with scissors blade in a vice. You do need to check the shape of the blades as they curve together to a small degree and likewise the pivot rivet or bolt needs to be tight but not too tight. So0 as the scissors come together the blades get a little bent apart progressivel from that first contact point.
As for taylors scissors. yes quite expensive but generally having long blades so a long cut makes it easier to get a smoothe edge.
For tough material the other sectret is big long handles compared to blade length. I would generally prefer scissors (sharp) to a knife for most jobs. olewill
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Or, strangely, Taiwan. I'm also not allowed to use her pair, so I bought my own on eBay. Now she wants to use mine
Lakesailor
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Me neither. There are a lot of us about.
