design upgrade of the superstructure from Blue Angel

[BartW]

For next winter we are planning to repaint the wooden Superstructure.
at this occasion we want to repair all the bad patches and do some upgrades

while I think this Canados 70s has a fairly timeless design,
a few upgrades made her even more modern and up te date, (see the rebuild threat)

there is just one item left and reminds at the 1980's..1990 heritage
and that is the shape of the FB side overhangs
the pictures will explain

this is the boat with original FB side overhang as they are today.
look above the side doors, there is no overhang
the front poles for the FB cover are there now, (grey lines in the second pic)






here are pics of similar and newer Canados 25,
those have the side overhang slanting until the front of the lower helm roof top





I realise that some on here might think I'm crazy considering this idea,
but I'm nearly convinced to go ahead with it,

apart from the looks, there are no real practical benefits
the only one is that it will be more easy to walk via the side overhangs to the rooftop of the lower helmstation, fe when we install FB covers, ...

but bcs we are planning the FB re painting, its a Now or Never decision,
and I think that on the grand sheme it will not be too costly / no big problem to make this

what do you think of this idea ?

edit, there is one more benefit in it;
when the side doors are open and it starts raining, rain won't poor in to the galley ,
and the inside covering (wood) of those doors will remain dry

 

[Aardee]

It certainly looks more contemporary and as you say it shouldn't be a major piece of fabrication.

 

[MapisM]

here are pics of similar and newer Canados 25,
those have the side overhang slanting until the from of the lower helm roof top

Believe it or not, I never noticed that difference - which sort of proves that it's not really night and day, in terms of aesthetic.
That said, I agree that the "new" solution is nicer, and definitely worth considering in the context of a full repaint.
Whether the additional cost will justify the (relatively small) aesthetic difference is difficult to tell in advance, but we will soon find out!
Just one thought: in the "new" version, they moved away the navlights from that position, up to the end of the windshield. But I'm not convinced it's the best way to skin this cat, and I guess they only did that to simplify the superstructure mould (which I believe was GRP in the C25).
Since in BA the additional bit of overhang should be custom built in wood, I think it would be nice to leave the navlight in the very same "old" position, but integrating them into a recess, painted in black inside.
Not sure if you see what I mean, but if not I can try a bit of photoshop on one of those C25 pics...

 

[rafiki_]

Sounds like you need Vas Bart.

 

[Mr Googler]

Who’s “Vas Bart”?

some sort of hybrid superhero who’s special powers is to rebuild or redesign everything he sees?

 

[rafiki_]

Who’s “Vas Bart”?

some sort of hybrid superhero who’s special powers is to rebuild or redesign everything he sees?

You’ve got it

 

[BartW]

Believe it or not, I never noticed that difference - which sort of proves that it's not really night and day, in terms of aesthetic.
That said, I agree that the "new" solution is nicer, and definitely worth considering in the context of a full repaint.
Whether the additional cost will justify the (relatively small) aesthetic difference is difficult to tell in advance, but we will soon find out!
Just one thought: in the "new" version, they moved away the navlights from that position, up to the end of the windshield. But I'm not convinced it's the best way to skin this cat, and I guess they only did that to simplify the superstructure mould (which I believe was GRP in the C25).
Since in BA the additional bit of overhang should be custom built in wood, I think it would be nice to leave the navlight in the very same "old" position, but integrating them into a recess, painted in black inside.
Not sure if you see what I mean, but if not I can try a bit of photoshop on one of those C25 pics...

P, understand what you mean with the nav lights, no need for a PS, but can you post some examples to see how it looks on existing boats?

 

[MapisM]

Here's just one example that pops to mind.
Just don't be distracted by the lovely boat in foreground , and look at the 52m Baglietto instead.
I added an enlargement of the detail from the original pic, which wasn't very sharp anyway,
But I think you will see what I mean.
Anyway, if you google around a bit, that sort of dedicated navlight support can usually be found on the larger and more classic vessels.

 

[BartW]

Here's just one example that pops to mind.
Just don't be distracted by the lovely boat in foreground , and look at the 52m Baglietto instead.
I added an enlargement of the detail from the original pic, which wasn't very sharp anyway,
But I think you will see what I mean.
Anyway, if you google around a bit, that sort of dedicated navlight support can usually be found on the larger and more classic vessels.

P, I Can't find any flybridge boat similar to Blue Angel with the nav lights incorporated in the Side deck overhang,
also none of the older wooden models,
is that what you are aiming at ?

 

[BartW]

Sounds like you need Vas Bart.

yes I do,
He'll have a valuable opinion on this

 

[MapisM]

P, I Can't find any flybridge boat similar to Blue Angel with the nav lights incorporated in the Side deck overhang,
also none of the older wooden models,
is that what you are aiming at ?

Well, I didn't have any other Canados model in mind - or any other particular boat, for that matter.
My train of thought was rather that the overhang prolongation you are considering goes right above the current navlight location, so you should move it anyway.
But I don't think they would look good if just attached externally on the new overhangs, and at the same time I don't think the other placement adopted in the C25 is particularly nice either.
So, since the prolongation should be custom built anyway, you might as well have a recess built inside it, specifically meant for the navlight.
In turn, that would also avoid the hassle of re-routing the cables, though probably that wouldn't be a big deal in the context of such modification.

Anyway, attached is the best pic I could find on the web of a C24 with the same type of overhang as the C25 of your previous pics.
I played with it a bit to try to see how it could look like with a recessed navlight in the same position where it currently is in BA, leaving also the navlight in the "new" location, as per original pic.
I did this also because it might be useful to show the idea to A & D if you wish, and hear what they think of it.

Now, 'fiuaskme, I definitely prefer the recessed placement to the original "new" location, and also to the original "old" one in BA.
Besides, since the overhang extension must be made from scratch, the navlight recess could be centered exactly above the side door, giving to it an OEM feeling, sort of.

But as always with aesthetic matters, each to their own!

 

[AndieMac]

Hi Bart
I like the idea of the upgrade, and also P’s idea to recess/integrate the nav lights, making it look like they are meant to be there.
I’m keen to see what paint system you are choosing to use and the application process.
There is a lot of work in removing all the bolt-on accessories and masking up etc on superstructure, I’m sure there will be interest from others here to watch the progress from the comfort of their computer screens ;-)

 

[BartW]

Well, I didn't have any other Canados model in mind - or any other particular boat, for that matter.
My train of thought was rather that the overhang prolongation you are considering goes right above the current navlight location, so you should move it anyway.
But I don't think they would look good if just attached externally on the new overhangs, and at the same time I don't think the other placement adopted in the C25 is particularly nice either.
So, since the prolongation should be custom built anyway, you might as well have a recess built inside it, specifically meant for the navlight.
In turn, that would also avoid the hassle of re-routing the cables, though probably that wouldn't be a big deal in the context of such modification.

Anyway, attached is the best pic I could find on the web of a C24 with the same type of overhang as the C25 of your previous pics.
I played with it a bit to try to see how it could look like with a recessed navlight in the same position where it currently is in BA, leaving also the navlight in the "new" location, as per original pic.
I did this also because it might be useful to show the idea to A & D if you wish, and hear what they think of it.

Now, 'fiuaskme, I definitely prefer the recessed placement to the original "new" location, and also to the original "old" one in BA.
Besides, since the overhang extension must be made from scratch, the navlight recess could be centered exactly above the side door, giving to it an OEM feeling, sort of.

But as always with aesthetic matters, each to their own!

I understand your proposal and in your photoshop it looks really nice,
BUT i'm afraid that your scale is not correct,

the nav ligt has to be on the outside of the overhang extension, and in reality this will be less than 10cm high on the outside,

also considering the soft sloping of that vertical side panel of the new overhang,
the recess for the light needs to be quite long, to get enough depth for that light

so unless the nav light can be really small,
we must be carefull that the light doesn't damage the smooth and elegant sloping that I'm aiming for
after all thats the purpose of this extension.

I believe I have a sketchup model somewhere, I have to check if we can have a drawing..

 

[BartW]

Hi Bart
I like the idea of the upgrade, and also P’s idea to recess/integrate the nav lights, making it look like they are meant to be there.
I’m keen to see what paint system you are choosing to use and the application process.
There is a lot of work in removing all the bolt-on accessories and masking up etc on superstructure, I’m sure there will be interest from others here to watch the progress from the comfort of their computer screens ;-)

Hi Callum,
the paint on the wood will be fairly basic, let the yard decide,
also there will be kivigrip on the side overhangs,
yes indeed a lot of preparation will be required.

but one concern is the side doors, those are aluminium, have been repainted in 2017, but start corroding again around the door handle (= is a weak spot)

another issue is the "new" gunwale gelcoat, firstly the collor is slightly off from the white from the hull,
and secondly there are a few crack in seams that need a better finish,
so i'm wondering if a extra layer of gelcoat is feasable here.
all tbc with the yard,
actually we will have 2 yards coming to have a look.

 

[MapisM]

I understand your proposal and in your photoshop it looks really nice,
BUT i'm afraid that your scale is not correct,

I'm not convinced, B.
Having some time to kill, I did another bit of simulation directly on the pic of BA, as you can see below.
Mind, I kept exactly the original navlight inside the recess of the simulated version at the bottom, so the scale should be correct.
Of course, it should all be re-checked in flesh, but it seems feasible to me...

 

[BartW]

P, looks good, but you should adapt the dimensions;

if you follow the white edge just above the side door, in line with that decorative grating,
follow the top of that grating to the left, you will find the crosspoint with the overhang side panel
which is the bottom of the overhang extension.
which is a bit higher than in your simulation,

those slats of that grating are parallel with the bottom of the curent overhang, all almost 100% horizontal,
(we remade them many years ago, so I know for sure !)
so the virtual line /surface that I have discribed here is fixed, and there is no room for play, otherwise the overhang extension will be too low / not good for tall folks like myself...

there is a big chance that this grating will stay there, (tbc) but in a totally different collor sheme

in case you want to complete the simulation;
the curent dark blue will become dark silver grey,
and the white slats from that grating will become black,
this grating remains a Canados signature

 

[BartW]

look at the red line in the upper pic; as they say, a picture tell's more than 1000 words

 

[petem]

Go for it Bart!

 

[kashurst]

Yes, like the improvement - if the budget fits why not!

Of course we want lots of pics of all the work too ;-)

 

[MapisM]

P, looks good, but you should adapt the dimensions
...
there is a big chance that this grating will stay there

Actually I removed the grille on the current overhang because Canados dismissed it in the more recent C24/C25, and I assumed that you liked that "cleaner" style better.
But I'd expect both alternatives to be feasible for the carpenter, since the overhang extension has to be custom built anyway, so it'll be up to you to pick your poison!

Rgardless, I agree that the perspective was a bit wrong in my previous drawing.
Here's another version where I left the grille and adjusted the new overhang.
By this rate, you might as well re-touch all the BA pics that you have onboard, and do nothing in flesh!