Day Skipper or Coastal Skipper

Point of clarification!

I'm saying that when I did the YM offshore and Coastal Skipper. The same boat , instructor and instructees were used for :

Coastal Skipper Course
Coatal Skipper (now YM Coastal) Prep
YM Offshore Prep

The instructees were a mixture of those aspiring to either qualification with the standard being adjusted accordingly and the instructor assessing which exam they should sit.

I have actually said this several times already but the noise generated by certain posters has tended to obscure the message.

useful links
http://www.southern.co.uk/downloads/CS-YMPre-examRequirements.pdf
http://www.southern.co.uk/sail.html
 
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jimi said:
Point of clarification! .... ]
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Ahh, indeed. I picked up the Point 2 of your OP wrongly, thought you were referring to the practical courses. I dont agree with you on missing out on the the Day Skipper theory course in preference to the Coastal Skipper Yachtmaster Offshore theory course.

The Day Skipper Course is the seminal practical course. If a student fully understands the DS syllabus, can execute boat handling confidently then the Coastal Skipper is not necessary. Most students would benefit from a refresher / preparatory course prior to sitting an MCA Certificate of Competence.

The Coastal Skipper Course is not a preparatory course for the MCA Yachtmaster Coastal competency assessment.

Anyway, its all on the RYA website.
 
Old Troll

Is it safe to raise my hat on a stick and count the holes? I would venture to suggest that if BOCC were running their course or courses over continuos weeks as a package using the same instructor, yacht and crew then it could be done quite diifferently from a candidate coming onboard for 5 days at a time over a longer period of months or even years. I have run these courses with success and would normally prefer to keep the Coastal practical courses seperate from the YM preperation week where rightly or wrongly I would concentrate on my client passing the exam as I would presume that is what they are paying for provided the persons sailing skills are up to the challenge.
 
jimi said:
Give BOSS a call and tell them that ..... then pass the phone over to Uberpedantic and get him to tell 'em to change some names on their website.
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That wont be required as they offer the course as I described and as the RYA mandate it. Leave me out of the Jimi / Uber spat please.
 
BlowingOldBoots said:
That wont be required as they offer the course as I described and as the RYA mandate it.
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Factually incorrect

you said

Originally Posted by BlowingOldBoots View Post
The Coastal Skipper Course is not a preparatory course for the MCA Yachtmaster Coastal competency assessment.

the link I posted says:
RYA Coastal Skipper - Tidal

The RYA Coastal Skipper course is suitable for more advanced skippers who have a practical ability to RYA Day Skipper level, a knowledge of; navigation, meteorology, collision regulations safety and passage planning up to RYA Coastal Skipper / Yachtmaster shore based standard; and have logged a minimum of 15 days onboard (2 days as skipper), 8 night hours and 300 miles. Additional mileage attained on the course will count towards the minimum pre exam requirements.

The course concentrates on the techniques and skills required to skipper a yacht on passages involving more complex decision making, cruise planning, navigation, and pilotage. A passage of longer duration, with particular emphasis placed on watch keeping techniques will usually be undertaken to demonstrate how to manage the yacht on such a passage.

In addition, you will be given the opportunity to improve your close quarters boat handling skills under power and sail. Preparation of the yacht for heavy weather cruising and navigation in restricted visibility is also discussed and practised. By the end of this course the successful Coastal Skipper will have sufficient knowledge to skipper a yacht safely on long coastal and offshore passages by day and night, in both tidal and non-tidal waters. [highlight]This course is suitable those who wish to go on to take the RYA / MCA Coastal Skipper examination. [/highlight]Candidates must also hold the Restricted (VHF only) Radio Operator's Certificate, Short Range Certificate and RYA First Aid Certificate or recognised alternatives.

5 Days or 3 weekends - RYA course completion certificate; plus weekend examination by an independent examiner if the full RYA / MCA Coastal Skipper certificate of competency is required.
 
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Ubergeekian said:
Leave me out as well, please.
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Bit late for that, mate, you started it .. surely in light of the manner in which you've had a real go at me I'm entitled to defend my position with statements of real fact .. (and the occasional mild pop).

If I had made statements that were lies or unjustified personal attacks on you then I would apologise publicly.
 
With the greatest respect to BOSS (and I have had excellent experience of them), I would not quote their website with regards to what is appropriate. For example, they suggest that the course can be done over 3 weekends, whereas only Comp Crew and Day Skipper courses can be run this way.

BlowingOldBoots has kindly provided the RYA URLs, the content therein I suggest as being the most authoritative on topic. There is nothing on the RYA website that suggests that the Coastal Skipper course is appropriate preparation for the Yachtmaster Coastal examination. It does note that holders of this course completion certificate can have a reduced qualifying sea time for the Yachtmaster Coastal exam.

To quote the RYA...

Coastal Skipper
Advanced skippering techniques for yachtsmen and women with considerable knowledge of sailing and navigation, wanting to undertake coastal passages by day and night. Like the Day Skipper course, this course consists of skippered passages in a variety of situations. Each trainee will skipper more challenging passages and learn more about passage planning, pilotage by day and night, boat handling, safety and emergency situations.

Yachtmaster Coastal
The exam will include an assessment of your skippering skills, boat handling, general seamanship, navigation, safety awareness and knowledge of the IRPCS (collision regulations), meteorology and signals. Candidates will be set tasks to demonstrate their ability and may also be asked questions on any part of the syllabus for all practical and shorebased courses up to Yachtmaster Coastal level.
 
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Jimi said :
"I'm saying that when I did the YM offshore and Coastal Skipper. The same boat , instructor and instructees were used for :

Coastal Skipper Course
Coatal Skipper (now YM Coastal) Prep
YM Offshore Prep"

I have the following bits of paper:
May 93 C/S Y/M Theory Cse Completion Cert. (evening classes)
Jan 94 Co. Skipper Cert. of Competence (the whole RYA afloat caboodle)

I then went for the 5 day Y/M prep course and chickened out of the Y/M practical exam and to my surprise I received -

Dec 95 Co. Skipper Practical Cse Completion Cert. !
I was confused........!!! - still am and not surprised that the terminology confuses others.

I then took another Y/M prep cse ( as Jimi advises )

Feb 2000 Y/M Cert. of Competence.

All with the same school and the boat with the mixture as just Jimi said.
It works - the C/S candidates learned not only from the instructor but also from the (more experienced) Y/M pupils.
 
jimi said:
Bit late for that, mate, you started it .. surely in light of the manner in which you've had a real go at me I'm entitled to defend my position with statements of real fact ..
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I really wish you would defend your position with statements of fact, you know. I wish you'd say what practical course you recommend people to take twice. I wish you'd say whether you recommend a bespoke preparation course or a syllabus practical course as preparation for either Yachtmaster Coastal or Yachtmaster Offshore.

And I really, really wish you would stop complaining about victimisation when all I am trying to do, and all I have ever tried to do, is clarify what you meant.

If I write something and someone says "that isn't clear - did you mean A or B" then I take their comments to heart and try to make my meaning clearer. There is, after all, no point in giving advice which can't be understood.

There is absolutely nothing personal to this. All I know about you is that you gave some generally very sound advice with a couple of bits which I couldn't follow.
 
ebbtide1 said:
What a shame - a potentially useful thread spoily by two people arguing the toss!!
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I'm not arguing the toss. I'm just trying to find out what Jimi meant when he wrote first

Definitely do the course preparation weeks for CS & YM​

and then

my recommedation was to do the same practical course again when going for YM offshore​

The mistaken use of CS is fairly irrelevant, though it could confuse a newcomer and I don't see why correcting it is a big deal. All I would like to know now is whether he meant "do the CS practical course twice" or "do two bespoke preparation weeks". I am truly sorry that Jimi seems to have reacted so strongly and so personally to a simple request for clarification.

Edit: Just to be clear - whatever the advice was meant to be, I am not planning to take issue with it. Jimi has far more experience than I have with this stuff, which is why I find it so frustrating not to know what he means.
 
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ebbtide1 said:
What a shame - a potentially useful thread spoily by two people arguing the toss!!
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Absolutely see the origunal post on this thread where I asked Ubergeekian to refrain from posting on this thread in case he wrecked it.
That was a forlorn hope.


I've asked him time and time again to phone a sailing school for the information he claims he is desirous of seeking as he seems incapaable and unwilling of comprehending anything I post. The guy is in serious need of help.
 
My experience of courses and exams are

1999 took a comp crew 5 day practical course cos we wanted to go sailing in the med.

I lked it so much I bought a brand new Beneteau 331

I then started doing the YM theory by correspondence course



I then did then Day Skipper practical course where the crew was a mix of dayskipper and comp crew.

I then did the Coastal skipper 5 day course followed by the Coastal Skipper Practical exam (now the YM Coastal) .. crew was mix of YM and CS.

I then did the YM Offshore exam with the 5 day prep course, the 5 day prep course was the Coastal Skipper practical course with higher standard asked of YM candidates. ( I have reiterated this time and time again). The crew was mix of CS and YM.

So in my experience , as I've said before, the Coastal skipper practical, the YM coastal and offshore prep is the same 5 day course with the content and standard adjusted by the instructor to suit the needs of the individual candidates.


... and I've said this time and time again ... now what bit of that is not clear!


Big men say sorry, small people can't get out of holes and just keep digging!
 
Captain Ludd said:
You two are impossible
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Wrong my friend U is impossible, he's harassed me for 4 days now, jumping on every word I post. He has actually deleted some of his more offensive posts but he can't remove the memory ... and he has never apologised.

I' m mild mannered forgiving guy, but if I get persecuted in this fashion I'll stand up for myself.
 
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