Croatian Cruise Report Pt1

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I’ve been meaning to do a cruise report on one of our Croatian cruises but never quite got round to it due to pressure of idleness. So, finally, this is a report on our most recent 6 day cruise from our marina, which is just north of Split, south to Dubrovnik and back and I’ve also tried to give some general impressions of Croatian boating life as well. But first, just a bit of background as to how we found ourselves in Croatia in the first place. After 5 happy seasons in Majorca with a Ferretti 46, we traded up to a Ferretti 53 in Croatia last year and we have decided to keep it there for a few seasons as the cruising area is reputedly one of the best in Europe.
Following a recommendation, I decided to keep the boat at Marina Frapa near Split and which is billed as a 5 star marina, whatever that means. Anyway, it’s an attractive marina with restaurants and shops on site, a nice swimming pool, 32amp leccy supply (for aircon), helpful marineros and, an unmissable Miss Croatia contest which takes place once a week during the high season!

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Anyway for our most recent cruise, we pitched up on Saturday night May 28th after one of the Fat Greek’s airbuses deposited us at Split airport. Our teenage son was accompanying us and we were only blessed with his presence having agreed to take 3 of his schoolmates along for the trip, something which has become alarmingly regular in recent years. According to SWMBO, I should be treasuring these times as they fly the nest all too soon. Mmm. The first surprise on arriving at the marina was that the boat seemed to have been stolen. Then I remembered that I’d asked the marina to carry out some basic maintenance work and sure enough, we found the boat near the travel hoist. The second surprise was that neither the generator not the galley fridge was working despite the fact that both had been working perfectly when we were last on the boat. Then I remembered that I’d also asked the marina to service these 2 items. So the next day, instead of heading off into the blue yonder, I spent the day searching for service personnel to shout at. The marina is quite canny about this because they employ gorgeous women who seem to be specifically trained to smile and flutter their eyelashes whenever a boat owner looks like he’s going to lose his rag. Needless to say, nothing happened on Sunday but by Monday lunchtime, all was fixed and off we went.
I’m not up with all this digital map stuff so you’re going to have to make do with this photobodge map. Fundamentally, this is the BartW restaurant tour of the south Dalmatian islands so my sincere thanks to him. My opinion of Croatian cuisine is now considerably higher and my wallet considerably emptier:eek:

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Our first destination was Korcula town on Korcula island some 65nm away. This place was recommended to me by a local so we were looking forward to visiting. After about 3 hours of cruising in smooth seas, we arrived in the Korculanski channel between the island and the mainland in half a gale. This is a characteristic of Croatia in that wind and sea conditions can change unexpectedly and BartW had warned me about the winds off Korcula. The marina is quite tight and we weren’t helped by the fact that the marinero insisted that we moored away from the other boats without another moored boat to hang on to. With my rookie crew and to the apparent disappointment of the watching charter crews, it was a relief to attach ourselves to something solid without mishap.

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Korcula town proved to be delightful although I can imagine that in August it might be a living hell. Like many Croatian towns, it is perched out on a promontory commanding the channel. History has it that the explorer, Marco Polo, was born in Korcula and, of course, this is all the excuse the locals need to sell you Marco Polo themed everything. Having dodged the market stalls, we found a cocktail bar on top of one of battlements which could only be reached by a vertiginous ladder through a small hole in the floor.

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I guess toilet humour was around even in the Middle Ages

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The Croatian Navy was in town. All of it!

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The following day, we wound our way through the islands east of Korcula island towards Polace on the island of Mjlet, which was a BartW recommendation
Teenage moroseness personified. My son as we navigated the shallow channel through the islands before the crossing to Mjlet

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The obligatory wake shot as we crossed to Mjlet in flat calm seas

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Entering the anchorage at Polace

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Polace proved to be as attractive as we had hoped although the manic waving of restaurant owners from the shore imploring us to moor at their quay for dinner was a bit disconcerting. After having been thrown off a buoy, belonging to a restaurant that we weren’t going to eat at, we attempted to anchor in the bay. This proved more difficult than it should have been as I just couldn’t get the anchor to set in the weedy bottom but eventually I gave up and we lay safely enough to the weight of the anchor and chain whilst we swam and the boys messed around in the dinghy. The boss pottered off in the tender to have a look at a Nordhavn 55 called Tai Pan anchored nearby and managed to blag her way on board. To be on the safe side rather than rely on an anchor that wouldn’t set, we moored at a quay belonging to the BartW recommended Bourbon restaurant and later had an excellent meal there.

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After dinner we set off into the darkness in the tender to Tai Pan for yet more drinks to hear the owners’ stories of their cruises around Europe and the Med and to get a guided tour around a proper motorboat. It was interesting to hear the owners’ opinion of Nordhavn which can be summed as the boats are great but they’re way better at marketing hype than customer service.
Next day we set off south for Dubrovnik. The wind had changed around from the north (known locally as bora) to a brisk southerly (jugo) so we punched into an increasingly lumpy sea as we cruised down the Mjletski Kanal. Our 3 teenage guests apparently involuntarily deposited their breakfasts overboard but I was happy enough dodging spray on the flybridge. The Ferretti 53 is acknowledged as one of Ferrettis best sea boats and Sumianda wasn’t fazed by the conditions. My original plan to anchor off reputedly the only sandy beach in Croatia at Sinj had to be abandoned due to the wind direction and we found a quiet anchorage in a bay on the north side of Lopud island. Once again, we couldn’t get the anchor to bite into the seabed so we just put out a whole load of chain. The boys recovered from their seasickness were soon jumping into the sea
My son doing a passable impression of a frog

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After lunch we motored on south to Dubrovnik inside the Elaphatine Islands chain which protected us from the worst of the sea conditions
Arrival at Dubrovnik. Turn left for the marina, straight on for the town

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I had taken the precaution of reserving a berth at the ACI marina in Dubrovnik because it’s the only marina serving the city. Over the phone, they told me that there was a 50% deposit for reserving a berth which I assumed was deducted from the mooring charge. I was somewhat pissed off to find later that the reservation fee was charged in addition to the normal mooring charge and my mood wasn’t improved by the empty berths around us.
After a swim in the marina pool

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Off we trekked to the UNESCO heritage city of Dubrovnik for dinner. I gave the boys a few quid to lose themselves because there was no way I was going to buy them dinner in the next BartW recommended Nautika restaurant which I already knew was an arm and a leg job, having visited Dubrovnik in the past. The restaurant is located on the battlements of the old city walls overlooking the sea and is in a superb position. SWMBO decided she wanted lobster and I was stupid enough to join her. The waiter obviously thought we were high rollers after that and offered us a bottle of Dom Perignon to wash the lobster down, an offer I had no problem resisting. Despite this, the bill was a trifle eye watering; I obviously failed to notice that we’d eaten the diamond encrusted variety of Adriatic lobster
Dubrovnik at night

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The old city of Dubrovnik is gorgeous and now fully restored following the damage it sustained during the Balkan conflict. After dinner we had a drink at the famous Buza bar and finished off by watching the jazz at the renowned Troubador café. Dubrovnik really is worth a visit and with BA flying there regularly, a weekend visit is perfectly viable if you’re so inclined.
 
Mike, thanks for that. Why is it that any remotely new building anywhere around the med looks like its been slung up overnight whilst the old stuff is moody and magnificent?

I guess the lobster-diamond-thermidor meant you had to skimp on the matching fender sox? :D:D:D
 
Thanks mike. (for both threads, but I'm replying here as it is better if we all reply on just one thread?)

Picutrres brought back many memmories - I have done near identical cruise twice. Frapa looks very nice - haven't been there. I saw that italian classic yacht with the window boxes moored in Korcula town matina in 2007, so it must be based in Croatia or a regular vistor from IT. I loved Palmazana ACI marina when we visited. I was berthed a bit further out than you but I cased up that very quay you were on and plan to take the Sq and park it on there for a few days next year. Thnaks for the warning about over enthusiastic marinerios

Back in 2007 they allowed stern-to berthing on the outside of the breakwater in Korcula marina. They had stopped this when I was there in 2010. I was stern to stern with your mooring slot in a rented beneteau 40 when a Bora came in and we got quite a battering. No one dared do anything but I and a Sq65 parked next to me decided we would be non-sheep like and make a run for it. I had to gun the crappy engine to get the boat off the wall, into the waves+wind, and iirc I didn't bash the trnasom too hard. We went 5 miles east to those islands you pass as you leave Korcula for mljet and got a sheltered idyllic anchorage. Such is the choice, with maybe 10,000 nice anchorages in those waters

You summary in post 2 made sense. The downsides you have suffered all relate to the situation of keeping your boat there including winter. Excuse the smugness but in reading what you said I reckon that if you take a boat there just for a long crusie in the summer you get all the upsides without those downsides

Anyway, very interesting/entertaining read. Thanks
 
quote from part 2
This photo shows the hills from which the city was shelled heavily by the Serb dominated Yugoslav army in 1991 during the Balkan conflict. My credit card was similarly bombed out by dinner at the Nautika restaurant :eek: which sits in the middle of the photo on the battlements.
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ROTFL

Mike this is the most entertaining post I've seen on here sinds long :)
I'm not sure if you know that you have very entertaining writing quality's,
as we are used from Brit comics, well done !

I have to admid that despite you naming it the BartW restaurant tour, you visited one or two restaurants that I have never visited
I just happen to know which the Croats consider to be the best.

I forgot to warn you for the waving restaurant owners, therefor it is good to know in advance where you are going, so that you can easyly ignore them, and go straight to your destination. but you know that now.

wanted to asc you if you had seen Nico Sober ? but you answered that, I never did (just one occasion many years ago). Did you got a menu, we never did, therefor, his prices are sometimes very random :o

looking at your pics you see the different background in your marina compared to all other pics taken more south,
this gives a perfect vieuw of the difference between mid and south Dalmatia, Split being in the middle,
Mid dalmatia and Kornati islands have no high mountains, and grey surface, less green,
South Dalmatia has high and very high mountains, and usually much green trees on them. much more nice, especially the islands Mljet, Lastovo, Vis, Jakljan, Olipa, ...

lovely report,
thanks
Bart

you could copy paste part 2 pics in this part 1 thread if you like, send PM...
 
Thanks Mike, interesting post and great pics. But there's one essential photo missing................the Miss Croatia contest! :D
 
I guess the lobster-diamond-thermidor meant you had to skimp on the matching fender sox? :D:D:D

Certainly not. They're on order. No expense spared when it comes to my baby (thats the boat btw not the SWMBO)
 
Back in 2007 they allowed stern-to berthing on the outside of the breakwater in Korcula marina. They had stopped this when I was there in 2010. I was stern to stern with your mooring slot in a rented beneteau 40 when a Bora came in and we got quite a battering. No one dared do anything but I and a Sq65 parked next to me decided we would be non-sheep like and make a run for it. I had to gun the crappy engine to get the boat off the wall, into the waves+wind, and iirc I didn't bash the trnasom too hard. We went 5 miles east to those islands you pass as you leave Korcula for mljet and got a sheltered idyllic anchorage. Such is the choice, with maybe 10,000 nice anchorages in those waters

They were allowing berthing outside the breakwater when we visited and there were fresh bow lines laid out too but the marineros were reluctant to put boats there until every last nook and cranny inside was filled. The outside is apparently notorious for swell; even the pilot book advises against mooring there



You summary in post 2 made sense. The downsides you have suffered all relate to the situation of keeping your boat there including winter. Excuse the smugness but in reading what you said I reckon that if you take a boat there just for a long crusie in the summer you get all the upsides without those downsides

You're quite right. Getting to Frapa in winter is a nightmare. Either you fly via Zagreb and spend all day doing it or you fly to Dubrovnik or Venice and drive but if you use the excellent new motorway through the centre of Croatia, snow can be a problem. I will almost definitely take my boat to Italy at the end of October because its so much easier to get there from the UK and hopefully, maintenance will be easier to manage (although more expensive, I guess). The Croatians themselves bemoan the fact that tourists dont come during the winter. I always counter by pointing out that their own national airline only flies to Split and Dubrovnik during summer so perhaps the locals should complain to them, not me
 
wanted to asc you if you had seen Nico Sober ? but you answered that, I never did (just one occasion many years ago). Did you got a menu, we never did, therefor, his prices are sometimes very random :o

Nope, he wasn't sober when we arrived and he wasn't sober when we left but the guy has a great life and he can certainly cook so who are we to judge?:) No there was no menu and no prices. In fact he didn't even ask us what we wanted to eat. He just told us what he was going serve us and the price was fair. I have to say that we loved visiting Kobas as its exactly our idea of what cruising should be about

looking at your pics you see the different background in your marina compared to all other pics taken more south,
this gives a perfect vieuw of the difference between mid and south Dalmatia, Split being in the middle,
Mid dalmatia and Kornati islands have no high mountains, and grey surface, less green,
South Dalmatia has high and very high mountains, and usually much green trees on them. much more nice, especially the islands Mljet, Lastovo, Vis, Jakljan, Olipa, ...

Yes its certainly something we've noticed. Some islands in mid/north Dalmatia are like a moonscape whereas the southern islands are heavily wooded and softer. The other big difference is the number of boats. Once you go further south than Korcula, the number of boats on the water reduces significantly. I think thats because there are no marinas between Korcula and Dubrovnik so the number of charter boats is reduced. I plan to do the Kornati islands in August


you could copy paste part 2 pics in this part 1 thread if you like, send PM...

As I said in the PM, there seems to be a max 10,000 character limit on individual posts which is why I split it into 2 parts
 
Dazzling stuff Deleted User.


wonderful write up and an enjoyable read.


I watched the 3 men in a boat thing last night and frankly your report is hugely better!


Its quite interesting for me as I was once in the old town (and ate in your posh lobbie restaurant) in the early '90's and the bad guys were up the hill behind still chucking heavy stuff on the poor sods below. The damage caused by explosive fall out and stray rounds was horrible to see and the wonderful main drag sort of polished like marble surface was pitted to hell and gone.

That coast is fab and i recall most locals have islands off shore or have friends , relations who have and simply take off there for the summer months and long w/e's.

I'm hoping to look at the new Montenegro marina when i visit Tivat next month. Have you heard any comments on the situation there now you are based near there now?
 
I watched the 3 men in a boat thing last night and frankly your report is hugely better!

Yup, a bit of a coincedence that. I saw the prog too and it was disappointing that they didn't do justice to a wonderful cruising area but I suppose its mass entertainment


Its quite interesting for me as I was once in the old town (and ate in your posh lobbie restaurant) in the early '90's and the bad guys were up the hill behind still chucking heavy stuff on the poor sods below. The damage caused by explosive fall out and stray rounds was horrible to see and the wonderful main drag sort of polished like marble surface was pitted to hell and gone.

Yes one of the saddest things about the shelling of Dubrovnik was that the Serb commanders in the Yogoslav army fooled the Croatian soldiers in the army into thinking that their compatriots in Dubrovnik below were staging a rebellion so some Croatians ended up killing their own kind.



I'm hoping to look at the new Montenegro marina when i visit Tivat next month. Have you heard any comments on the situation there now you are based near there now?

I guess you are referring to Porto Montenegro http://www.portomontenegro.com/? Its supposed to be very swish and for the moment its relatively cheap including the fuel which is available duty free if you are leaving Montenegro. I have heard that its only part developed and there's still a lot of building work going on at present but, apparently, there's already a selection of shops and restaurants. Its also well located, only about 1hr from Dubrovnik airport.
Croatia is supposed to be joining the EU in 2013. IMHO the real point of Porto Montenegro is that its going to provide a berth for superyachts within easy distance of the best European cruising grounds but still allowing them to avoid VAT and any other EU taxes the bureacrats dream up. With Greece on one side talking about bringing in a boat tax and Croatia on the other side joining the EU in 2013 and having to conform with EU VAT rules, Porto Montenegro could be very strategic
 
Nope, he wasn't sober when we arrived and he wasn't sober when we left but the guy has a great life and he can certainly cook so who are we to judge?:) No there was no menu and no prices. In fact he didn't even ask us what we wanted to eat. He just told us what he was going serve us and the price was fair.

I have to say that we loved visiting Kobas as its exactly our idea of what cruising should be about

+1

here in this picture, in the left house lives a retired kaptain, many years ago we had a BBQ on his terrace. Yeach time when we come there, we have a pleasant and relaxed meeting

he told me that his neighbour, in that second house, is a bussy rich french businessman, who has bought the house just for relaxing. he has a small dayboat for shopping.
perfect location if you fancy that sort of quite retirement.

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. Some islands in mid/north Dalmatia are like a moonscape whereas the southern islands are heavily wooded and softer. The other big difference is the number of boats. Once you go further south than Korcula, the number of boats on the water reduces significantly. I think thats because there are no marinas between Korcula and Dubrovnik so the number of charter boats is reduced. I plan to do the Kornati islands in August

OK, then I'm looking forward to that report, as I would like to know your objective comparison about both area's (south or mid Dalmatia)
As you know I have a tight connection down south, I never made it any more north then Sibenik
 
Great report... brings back memories of chartering (on the dark side) a couple of years ago from Dubrovnik to Korcula and back. Remembering Polace epecially.

There is also a great little restaurant in Dubrovnik right down by the sea just outside the town walls... Restaurant Orhan.. worth trying
 
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