CQR-----Delta--------Manson and price is an issue.

Delfin said:
Just curious Inverness, but in the colonies the Rocna is now about 15% cheaper than the Supreme. Is the same pattern there in the UK, or are you guys still getting screwed by Rocna?:)
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I am not renowned for quibbling but if the prices have fallen recently in the colonies, is that the USA to which you refer?, then anyone who bought previously was screwed (as they paid 15% more than they are sold for now (its called 'engendering customer loyalty'!). I mentioned somewhere that the costs of producing a Rocna (or any other anchor made in China) are not dissimilar to the costs for producing a Kobra or Delta. If Rocna are more expensive than a Kobra one could assume that the Chinese production workers of CMP are being paid much more than those that make the Kobra:) Its refreshing to see a paternalistic company and maybe Plastimo should follow suit.

Jonathan
 
Delfin said:
Just curious Inverness, but in the colonies the Rocna is now about 15% cheaper than the Supreme. Is the same pattern there in the UK, or are you guys still getting screwed by Rocna?:)
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I don't often look at the prices of the Rocna as we don't stock them, so i'd have to say I have blisfull ignorance of the Rocna pricing! I might go do some research when I get a minute to breathe though, and find out :)
 
Well I have just gone against my principles and bought a Rocna. Went to Ardfern on cruse to look at Spades as they are the listed stockist but they had none in stock as Rocnas are cheaper and popular. I talked about the 'issues' and we agreed that all that matters is the anchor sets, remains set and thus does its job. As a bonus, for the first time, I have an anchor that will sit in my bow roller. The old CQR copy has been abandoned and I will now test the new generation. I have to say the chandlery here is very good and the guy came to my boat several times to help with little bits and bobs I was sorting while waiting out a gale. I will let you know my, hopefully, unbiased opinion on the Rocna when I get a chance to throw it overboard. I liked the CQR, it always worked for me and it would be easy to get it back on deck. So, the Rocna has to prove itself.
 
pmagowan said:
Well I have just gone against my principles and bought a Rocna. Went to Ardfern on cruse to look at Spades as they are the listed stockist but they had none in stock as Rocnas are cheaper and popular. I talked about the 'issues' and we agreed that all that matters is the anchor sets, remains set and thus does its job. As a bonus, for the first time, I have an anchor that will sit in my bow roller. The old CQR copy has been abandoned and I will now test the new generation. I have to say the chandlery here is very good and the guy came to my boat several times to help with little bits and bobs I was sorting while waiting out a gale. I will let you know my, hopefully, unbiased opinion on the Rocna when I get a chance to throw it overboard. I liked the CQR, it always worked for me and it would be easy to get it back on deck. So, the Rocna has to prove itself.
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The Rocna will work well for you, and if you got a cheaper price than the Manson to offset the cheaper materials, good for you.
 
pmagowan said:
Well I have just gone against my principles and bought a Rocna. Went to Ardfern on cruse to look at Spades as they are the listed stockist but they had none in stock as Rocnas are cheaper and popular. I talked about the 'issues' and we agreed that all that matters is the anchor sets, remains set and thus does its job. As a bonus, for the first time, I have an anchor that will sit in my bow roller. The old CQR copy has been abandoned and I will now test the new generation. I have to say the chandlery here is very good and the guy came to my boat several times to help with little bits and bobs I was sorting while waiting out a gale. I will let you know my, hopefully, unbiased opinion on the Rocna when I get a chance to throw it overboard. I liked the CQR, it always worked for me and it would be easy to get it back on deck. So, the Rocna has to prove itself.
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Hi pmagowan
just one word of warning with new gen' anchors........ when letting go the anchor from the boat, don't be running back with either wind, stream or motor at anything over a knot SOG. The new gen' anchors are liable to set so quickly that you can pull out or strain the windlass or rode, when (as a norm') everything goes tight in a hurry.
S.
 
Thanks guys. I keep ending up at marinas (which is unusual for us) but will let you know how we get on. I think the CQR had a knack to it which we had developed over years. It will maybe be a learning curve with the Rocna but I am keen to test it. The guarantee says that if it bends we get a new one. We managed to rig up a good bow roller solution. One of those angled fenders protects the bow and the shaft of the anchor is tied down so the point stays away from the paintwork. Seems to work well and is the first time we have had an anchor stowed there, normally requires donkey work and nipped thumbs to throw the CQR over in the required manner.
Good luck.
Paddy.
 
Just a quick report back on the Rocna since our 3 week cruise is over. It set very well and very quickly when compared to the CQR. It was also much more obvious when it had set as it did so with a bang (so to speak). It seems to require a bit of chain on the bottom before trying to set whereas with the CQR we got best results with slowly easing chain out while dragging the anchor until it started to resist then dumping out the full scope. We were in regular gale force winds this last few weeks and tried to anchor as much as possible. I use a snubber as well. Most of the anchorages were quite crowded and so we only had 3-4:1 scope at times. It did not seem to move at all once set even when we were sailing round the anchorage on windage. After a night of high winds it was more difficult than the cqr to disengage, the latter always coming up by hand and by over-riding the chain. The windlass was used in earnest for pretty much the first time and the Rocna always came up with a chunk of the bottom. On a couple of nice days when I could see through the water I could see that it had burried itself up to the top of the roll bar. This was only by the force of the set as these days there was no wind and we lay on chain alone. Only once did it not set first go but this was probably because it was one of my first attempt, in weed, and I was using my old technique so it pretty much just hooked a pile of weed.

All in all, very good and I feel a lot more confident of it. I never had a problem with the CQR and it never really dragged but you had to be much more careful about setting it and it was much less obvious that it had set properly. With the Rocna as I lay out chain you suddenly feel it set and then you need to let go of the chain so that it doesn't pull your hands off.

Bottom conditions tried: mud, sand, heavy weed on muddy gravel

Sleepability: good/excellent.
 
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pmagowan said:
Just a quick report back on the Rocna since our 3 week cruise is over. It set very well and very quickly when compared to the CQR.

Sleepability: good/excellent.
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It's not surprising that a modern (concave design) anchor holds better than an old design. I don't think it's remotely contentious any more. And the most important, though overlooked, thing is how readily and reliably they will reset on the turn of tide: you may have bedded your pick in well, but when the tide turns and you're asleep is when the magic needs to happen.
 
BelleSerene said:
It's not surprising that a modern (concave design) anchor holds better than an old design. I don't think it's remotely contentious any more. And the most important, though overlooked, thing is how readily and reliably they will reset on the turn of tide: you may have bedded your pick in well, but when the tide turns and you're asleep is when the magic needs to happen.
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Things for the report pmagowan.

All the modern anchors (with the exception of the Fortress) do this very well, better than the older generation.

A current of less than about 3- 4kts (depending on factors such as boat size) will not produce enough force to rotate a set anchor anyway, but an anchors ability to cope with different directions of pull is an important characteristic
 
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BelleSerene said:
It's not surprising that a modern (concave design) anchor holds better than an old design. I don't think it's remotely contentious any more. And the most important, though overlooked, thing is how readily and reliably they will reset on the turn of tide: you may have bedded your pick in well, but when the tide turns and you're asleep is when the magic needs to happen.
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Well, with the gales (when I needed it most) the anchor did not have to reset since the wind was always going to win over tide. The rest of the time I don't think the change in tide would have been enough to disengage the anchor. I did motor over it to see it reset and it twisted in the sand although I didn't go hard enough to force it right round but it didn't seem at risk of unsetting. I did check regularly during gales and also during tidal changes when the wind was variable but we didn't budge. It still needs a good bit more experience to adequately assess and I am aware of the subjective nature of these things, but I am currently happy with my choice. I did various test with the engine and different scope as well as rowing out to look at it. Another bonus is that it sits neatly in my bow roller which makes deployment so much easier and less finger crunching than with the CQR.

All that said, I wouldn't diss my old CQR (replica BTW) as it gave years of good service and never let me down. It just didn't give me the feeling of excess security and of rock solid setting.
 
pmagowan said:
Well, with the gales (when I needed it most) the anchor did not have to reset since the wind was always going to win over tide. The rest of the time I don't think the change in tide would have been enough to disengage the anchor. I did motor over it to see it reset and it twisted in the sand although I didn't go hard enough to force it right round but it didn't seem at risk of unsetting. I did check regularly during gales and also during tidal changes when the wind was variable but we didn't budge. It still needs a good bit more experience to adequately assess and I am aware of the subjective nature of these things, but I am currently happy with my choice. I did various test with the engine and different scope as well as rowing out to look at it. Another bonus is that it sits neatly in my bow roller which makes deployment so much easier and less finger crunching than with the CQR.

All that said, I wouldn't diss my old CQR (replica BTW) as it gave years of good service and never let me down. It just didn't give me the feeling of excess security and of rock solid setting.
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Glad to hear it! Yes, my Rocna (yes, pre-Chinese steel quality problem) also sits securely on the bow roller, takes a small nudge to deploy it - and it self-rights on the roller! I believe the Spade is also bow roller-friendly.

I did for a while use the Rocna's roll bar as a fairlead for the asymmetric spinnaker tack sheet. it set elegantly at all points of downwind sail and have me half a quasi-bow sprit - but it didn't half chaff the tack sheet!
 
Cannot believe the number of replies and views to this thread and was going to let it lie but did use the new anchor this weekend and upon inspection with snorkel at low water wasn't completely buried but much more so than the CQR and did seem to grab quicker when going astern and that is a 16KG mansion supreme replacing a 45KG CQR. Will see how the summer hols go and if it gets tested with any squally breezes.
 
Yes read lbs instead of kgs, mixing my imperial and metric. Bit like the carpenter I worked with during my apprenticeship whose folding rule was a metre long and would as for a piece of wood x metres and so many inches long!
 
Given its weight it should probably look more like this one:

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Good surface area, worth a shot? All the shopping trolleys in the outer harbour here seem to provide very good holding power indeed ;)
 
>it was very rarely dug in but we where anchored to a long loop of chain.

A CQR is fine provided you dig it in properly, let the wind blow you back, then apply power, the anchor will generally drag five to twelve feet before digging in at which point you will come to a resounding stop. If that doesn't work we found it's the bottom that is the problem, and would be to all anchors, move away and try another spot. In some places in the Caribbean we tried four times or five times before finding the right spot, generally sand over rock or in the UK mud over rock is the problem.
 
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