Tranona
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Good thing it is probably only going to be bought as a fashion accessory for a MOBO!
CQR-----Delta--------Manson and price is an issue.
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vyv_cox
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billmacfarlane
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If you are planning to anchor for a couple of weeks in S Brittany, the money saved in marina fees would justify spending extra and going for one of the top rated anchors e.g. Rocna or Manson. Think of the restful nights you'll have. I'm in a similar situation having a need to replace a very pretty s/s claw with one that actually works. Rocna is my choice and the order is going in tomorrow.
Babylon
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Brave buggger: your boat will be secure, but your reputation on here will be on a lee-shore...
Neeves
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Babylon
+1
How quickly we forgive and forget.
Jonathan
+1
How quickly we forgive and forget.
Jonathan
BelleSerene
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I wouldn't use an anchor of only 12kg on a boat that size.
I also wouldn't use an old-gen anchor over a convex modern-gen one if what you want is reliable digging in.
Chris_Robb
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Thanks for the replies and thoughts. I have placed an order for a Manson from a chandler mentioned above. Hopefully they can deliver for the quoted price and with a bit of luck before half term! And I am looking forward to some more relaxed lunches ashore and perhaps only getting up once or twice during the night at anchor. All I have to do now is make the bow roller hold it......
Ought to say decided ultimately not that much more money and decided the slot in the top might be useful when anchoring amongst the rocks and in the French estuaries/rivers with moored boats.
Thanks again
Good decision. I have one on my Oceanlord. You may need to provide some protection at the top of the bows for stowing as the point can chip away gel coat.
That video is very true to life. But when its blowing hard the anchor will disappear below the sand. In clay it can therefore be harder to recover and that is probably why the shank is made of the strongest of all the anchors.
doug748
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I was meaning to say, a few days ago, well said:
"What is not helpful is personal prejudice dressed up as fact"
Sgeir
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As mentioned on similar previous threads, we started using a 16kg Kobra 2 about three years ago in place of our previous main anchor, a 35lb CQR. Absolutely no complaints, and no regrets either. As stated above, it came out very well in the French magazine tests and at about a third of the price of its worthier competitors. Stowing on the bow roller is slightly awkward, but, as with the CQR, that problem is easily solved by lashing it at an angle.
We anchor perhaps about sixty times a year; the main difference with the CQR is that it is most likely to set first time, which is a big plus when doing it all by hand without a windlass. Don't recall us being anchored in anything above a F8 during that period, but certainly never lost a wink of sleep through worrying about the anchor.
We anchor perhaps about sixty times a year; the main difference with the CQR is that it is most likely to set first time, which is a big plus when doing it all by hand without a windlass. Don't recall us being anchored in anything above a F8 during that period, but certainly never lost a wink of sleep through worrying about the anchor.
Boo2
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Anyone know anything about the XYZ anchor ? http://www.xyzanchor.com/buy-boat-anchor/
Doesn't seem to have been mentioned above.
Boo2
Doesn't seem to have been mentioned above.
Boo2
doug748
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Boo2
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The galvanised 15kg anchor is £410 inc shipping to the EU. You'd pay about another £100 in taxes but it's still a long way short of £700.
Boo2
noelex
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It is an anchor that I never seen in action.
It has not done very well in the independent tests, although I think the current version is an "improved" model.
doug748
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Aye, a snip. I must have been looking at the stainless steel and alloy catwalk model.
500 quid for a 30lb fabrication. My first reaction is that they a plumbing the depths of wickedness
However, as the team has decided that a designer anchor is required to sleep on the wild coasts of France, go for it.
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Simondjuk
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I'm about to replace a rubbish pattern CQR (which any right minded person would never have purchased sight seen, so marked is the engineering inferiority of its construction) with either a Delta or Kobra II.
I'd like to see the Kobra before deciding, but stockists seem thin on the ground. With either, I'll probably go up a size from that recommend for a 40 foot boat, provided it fits the bow roller without major surgery.
I'd like to see the Kobra before deciding, but stockists seem thin on the ground. With either, I'll probably go up a size from that recommend for a 40 foot boat, provided it fits the bow roller without major surgery.
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grievesie
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Another vote for Delta as the best value anchor. Always found it sets well and is simple construction. There are better performing anchors in tests but only at 2 or 3 times the price. Also performance should also include recovery - had an experience with a Spade anchor on a friends boat that was so well dug into stiff mud we were pulling the bow down under engine to get it to break out - a case of too good.
noelex
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The new generation anchors do need a different approach to break them out.
A considerable amount of patientience is sometimes needed.
In clear water its more reassuring as you can see the anchor gradually breaking out. In murky conditions you do need a bit of faith the anchor appears to be stuck with nothing happening. This can be disconcerting it you are used to an older generation anchor, especially with the knowledge that it is an expensive lump of steel that doesn't want to come up.
Fortunately there is rarely any danger, it is not as if you are going anywhere
In over 1500 nights at anchor with a new generation anchor I have never had any difficulty, with a bit of patience, breaking it out. (Although I have occasionally wrapped the chain around a rock)
The rapid and reliable setting means the anchor itself is far less likely to get caught under rocks, old chains, and other debis.
Neeves
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This comes from a state of the art book first published in 1949
'So far when we have spoken of anchors we mean the ordinary fishermans anchor but the CQR........it needs only be only half the weight of a fisherman type anchors as it is claimed to have twice the holding power'
end quote.
Just change the names.
But
Just think - if it takes a long time to break out, it takes a long time (if ever) to drag.
Anchors (all of them), currently are a compromise. There is not an ideal, just read the posts, just wade through the threads. One downside of modern anchors is that they take a couple of minutes to breakout, one downside of older designs is that they either drag or never reset after dragging - take your pick (no pun intended).
Personally I'd rather spend a few minutes breaking an anchor out than spending most of the night awake. But it is a good thing we are all different.
Jonathan
'So far when we have spoken of anchors we mean the ordinary fishermans anchor but the CQR........it needs only be only half the weight of a fisherman type anchors as it is claimed to have twice the holding power'
end quote.
Just change the names.
But
Just think - if it takes a long time to break out, it takes a long time (if ever) to drag.
Anchors (all of them), currently are a compromise. There is not an ideal, just read the posts, just wade through the threads. One downside of modern anchors is that they take a couple of minutes to breakout, one downside of older designs is that they either drag or never reset after dragging - take your pick (no pun intended).
Personally I'd rather spend a few minutes breaking an anchor out than spending most of the night awake. But it is a good thing we are all different.
Jonathan
BrianH
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An anchor can never, ever, be "too good".
With my original NZ produced Rocna I do find it sometimes reluctant to break out but always, with patience and progressively making fast and allowing the scend of the sea motion to ease it up, I can always retrieve it. But it often brings up a lot of seabed.
I really don't understand those that with a component that costs such a small fraction of what it is connected to, plus with lives at risk, can rationalise a case of "best value" in choosing an anchor.
There is only one criterion - the best for you, whatever the cost, save on something else .... perhaps a cheaper plotter or smartphone, or summat? But never your anchor.
Babylon
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I really don't understand those that with a component that costs such a small fraction of what it is connected to, plus with lives at risk, can rationalise a case of "best value" in choosing an anchor.
There is only one criterion - the best for you, whatever the cost, save on something else .... perhaps a cheaper plotter or smartphone, or summat? But never your anchor.
+1
I've never been able to afford a plotter or a smartphone - my byword over the last seven years of owning my boat has been to spend money only on those things that keeps the integrity of the boat in good order or improves it for safety at sea and fitness for a gradually increasing range of offshore and coastal cruises.
Thus: new engine, stern gear and prop, rope-cutter, new batteries and revamped wiring, new pintle bushes, new water-tanks and plumbing, new furling heads'l, revamped EPIRB, crew lifejackets, liferaft, replacement flares, replacement fire-extinguishers, combined DSC VHF and AIS, replacement antenna, new jackstays, boltcroppers, MOB heaving-line, upgraded D-ring light, dedicated MOB recovery tackle, wind-generator, LED festoon bulbs for cabin, replacement Tri-colour unit, stand-alone radar (frequently used in earnest), cockpit enclosure (cheaper than buying a bigger boat), kedge anchor and warp, electric windlass with new chain and 3-strand, and... err... replacement bower anchor!
Very roughly:
£29,000 boat (25yrs old in 2007) +
£16,000 extras listed above =
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£45,000 total capital cost (ie excluding mooring, fuel, haul-out and hardstanding, insurance, club membership, FB pies, beer, etc)
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My new Manson Supreme anchor therefore cost 0.05% of this total. The Kobra 2 would have cost 0.02%, with the Delta at 0.03%. (The new engine by comparison cost 16%!)
There was no blind "prejudice" in choosing the Manson: I did as much research as I could on this forum and elsewhere, then I borrowed three new anchors (the Manson plus an oversized Delta and an oversized Kobra) from the chandlers to see how each fitted in the bow-roller and how back-breaking each was to lift in the constricted area of the foredeck.
The Manson - for me - was the clear winner.
I haven't yet had much chance to test it in practice (and haven't even had the time to fit the new windlass), but I did have a heck of a time getting it out of Osborne Bay mud a fortnight ago. The old CQR would have come out with more ease.
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