Cost of extras on a new boat

[Irish Rover]

I can understand why posters think the 40PC is ugly. Maybe it is. I'm sure most people who see my FP Greenland 34 think the same. On the other hand most people who come onboard marvel at the amount of living space and usable deck space we have. I'd bite your hand off for a 40PC but I'm too tight to spend that type of money. I'm on the look out for a s/h Leopard 43PC or FP MY 44 -owners versions- and hoping prices may drop a bit heading into the winter. Still those of you who read the Euromillions thread will know I'm soon due a big win so, who knows.

 

[Refueler]

Each time I look at it ... I think of those daft American Party Pontoons they use on the rivers ...

 

[dunedin]

My wealthy friend who has bought several new boats has an aversion to spending money unnecessarily and fits the extras himself. Saves a lot of money.

If an aversion to spending money, surely not being a serial buyer of new boats would save more money than self fitting the extras.
Alternatively, as happily paying a premium for buying a new boat, why object to a similar premium on buying the extras? Quite often less distruptive & better fitted if done at factory (eg before deck and furniture fitted).

 

[davidej]

The word fugly doesn’t do it justice.

See my post on the mobo forum.

 

[Irish Rover]

The word fugly doesn’t do it justice.

See my post on the mobo forum.

Thanks. That was very informative.

 

[LONG_KEELER]

Was having a look at the new Leopard PC today and i was stunned by the cost of some of the individual extras
Leopard 40 Powercat

Looks like lovely livability but not very aerodynamic . Perhaps the cost of fuel is not a factor with regard to the target audience . It's certainly a factor with some of my motorboat pals.

 

[Tranona]

My wealthy friend who has bought several new boats has an aversion to spending money unnecessarily and fits the extras himself. Saves a lot of money.

Not always the case as I explained in post#11. I costed fitting the extras afterwards (not always possible or practical( but where it was - electronics, bow thruster and extra winches for example the factory price was roughly the same as the retail price for the equipment - in other words the fitting was free. Of course this is from a high volume builder who designs the bots to take all the listed extras and buys in huge volumes so still makes a profit. Smaller builders on the other hand make their money on the extras. One of the downsides of retrofitting particularly electrical items is the cost of installation because the wiring is not in place as it is in production boats.

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

In my world the content of this thread is akin to fantasy.

 

[Skylark]

I’m not sure I really get the new thing with boats. …….
……….I like fixing things, perhaps that is why.

But when buying a boat, some of us want a NEW boat, not one that has lost its virginity to a stranger…….

Completely agree. Nothing compares to new, in my view.
There’s always something to fix on a boat. The prize for unreliability with mine has been the electrics/electronics.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

In my world the content of this thread is akin to fantasy.

There us that too. The new model of ours in the Dragonfly range is the 28. To the same spec as our 920, it would be pushing up towards 250k. Ok, maybe it’s technically feasible to come up with that, but itks fantasy that we would. We'd get a smaller boat. Or of course a narrower boat.

 

[Irish Rover]

Looks like lovely livability but not very aerodynamic . Perhaps the cost of fuel is not a factor with regard to the target audience . It's certainly a factor with some of my motorboat pals.

Standard engines on the 40PC will be 2 x 250HP Yanmars so not really comparable with my Greenland 34 which has 2 x 75HP Yanmars. My engines have close to 4,000 hours but still only burning 3.75 LPH @ 2,200 RPM. Apart from manoeuvring in the marina, anchoring and very rough weather I only use 1 engine cruising. At 2,200 RPM on I engine I make 7 knots. So overall my consumption is below 4 LPH. My tanks hold 800 litres so I can do over 1,000 miles with 25% left in reserve. I would expect cruising at 10/12 MPH on one engine would be very economical on the 40PC.

 

[oldgit]

One of the downsides of retrofitting particularly electrical items is the cost of installation because the wiring is not in place as it is in production boats.

Having been involved with fitting aftermarket marine radio and nav kit to smaller boats( and no they do not always come complete with a radio) it can an an absolute nightmare........some do fit the additional wiring required and even a bit of cord to help with the job, this normally jams at the first tight corner or where muliple wires gather together.
Worst job ? Saloon to flybridge.
Dismantling interiors takes time and hence money as for cutting holes in shiney new dashboards with not a lot of space..

 

[Daydream believer]

Standard engines on the 40PC will be 2 x 250HP Yanmars so not really comparable with my Greenland 34 which has 2 x 75HP Yanmars. My engines have close to 4,000 hours but still only burning 3.75 LPH @ 2,200 RPM. Apart from manoeuvring in the marina, anchoring and very rough weather I only use 1 engine cruising. At 2,200 RPM on I engine I make 7 knots. So overall my consumption is below 4 LPH. My tanks hold 800 litres so I can do over 1,000 miles with 25% left in reserve. I would expect cruising at 10/12 MPH on one engine would be very economical on the 40PC.

Surely, if you just ran one engine on a cat, you would just go round in circles. ?
Still, I wonder if the sort who would buy one of those (#1)would ever notice anyway.

 

[Irish Rover]

Surely, if you just ran one engine on a cat, you would just go round in circles. ?
Still, I wonder if the sort who would buy one of those (#1)would ever notice anyway.

Being "that sort" maybe I do spend my time going around in circles without ever noticing. Good of you to put me straight.

 

[Daydream believer]

Being "that sort" maybe I do spend my time going around in circles without ever noticing. Good of you to put me straight.

Do not get upset - I was only joking ?

 

[sailaboutvic]

I can understand why posters think the 40PC is ugly. Maybe it is. I'm sure most people who see my FP Greenland 34 think the same. On the other hand most people who come onboard marvel at the amount of living space and usable deck space we have. I'd bite your hand off for a 40PC but I'm too tight to spend that type of money. I'm on the look out for a s/h Leopard 43PC or FP MY 44 -owners versions- and hoping prices may drop a bit heading into the winter. Still those of you who read the Euromillions thread will know I'm soon due a big win so, who knows.

So when the the party ?

 

[sailaboutvic]

I brought a new Dufour 385 in 2008 and although I managed to get a lot of extras thrown in I still ended up paying another 20k to get it how I wanted it .
Six years on sold at a lost .
Never buy another new boat no matter what.
The only consolation was me manage to buy a Moody 42 for half of its valve .
More money thrown into that too..

 

[Irish Rover]

Do not get upset - I was only joking ?

Gee thanks. I'll try to reach my therapist to cancel the appointment.

 

[Daydream believer]

Gee thanks. I'll try to reach my therapist to cancel the appointment.

I would not go that far. You never know what he might find before it gets too late

 

[Irish Rover]

So when the the party ?

You may have missed the bit where I said I'm too tight to spend a million on a boat Vic. However if I win the lotto you'll be first on the invitation list.