BrendanS
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Re: Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
I'll post a response once wales france match over <g>
I'll post a response once wales france match over <g>
Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
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Anonymous
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I tend to agree. If people give their boat type and approximate location - e.g. Moody 44, Hamble - then people have a better idea of how to reply to any questions they might post.
But it is a personal choice and I have a lot of sympathy for those who object to being googleable. It isn't only those with friendly motives who might want to google you, and it is impossible to become ungoogled.
I tend to agree. If people give their boat type and approximate location - e.g. Moody 44, Hamble - then people have a better idea of how to reply to any questions they might post.
But it is a personal choice and I have a lot of sympathy for those who object to being googleable. It isn't only those with friendly motives who might want to google you, and it is impossible to become ungoogled.
jimi
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Re: Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
I have no objection to forum members knowing who I am and any details etc, but I do'nt want non registered users to know. I had a bad experience with Ancasta when I posted details on a botch they made and ended up getting threatened with a libel action, not the sort of hassle one expects or wishes to have again.
I have no objection to forum members knowing who I am and any details etc, but I do'nt want non registered users to know. I had a bad experience with Ancasta when I posted details on a botch they made and ended up getting threatened with a libel action, not the sort of hassle one expects or wishes to have again.
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Point is that anyone wanting to get hold of boat names and use google doesn't need to use a forum to do so, they're painted on the back of most boats!
Point is that anyone wanting to get hold of boat names and use google doesn't need to use a forum to do so, they're painted on the back of most boats!
VicMallows
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Re: Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
Jimi,
I find this a strange response from you. How does the fact that someone was registered or not make any difference in law? A libel has either occured or it hasn't.
Are you talking about the ease or otherwise of tracing the purpetrator?
Vic
Jimi,
I find this a strange response from you. How does the fact that someone was registered or not make any difference in law? A libel has either occured or it hasn't.
Are you talking about the ease or otherwise of tracing the purpetrator?
Vic
stevesales
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Re: Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
Has there ever been a successful action for libellous statements made on the Internet?
Has there ever been a successful action for libellous statements made on the Internet?
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There is always that most perfect defence to a libel action - "truth"! Provided one has reasonable evidence to back up what one says, and it is said accurately, there should be no problem. Doesn't stop companies threatening, of course.
There is always that most perfect defence to a libel action - "truth"! Provided one has reasonable evidence to back up what one says, and it is said accurately, there should be no problem. Doesn't stop companies threatening, of course.
BrendanS
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Re: Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
Why are boat names important? You'd be amazed at the information people give away, that allows them to be identified, then their home address identified. Boat name is just a single identifier, and not a particularly important one.
To get it back onto track, we are on a forum, and talking about profile info. If you want to go watch boats in and out of harbours or marinas, that's fine, but this is about information provided on the forum that can enable you to be identified.
Why are boat names important? You'd be amazed at the information people give away, that allows them to be identified, then their home address identified. Boat name is just a single identifier, and not a particularly important one.
To get it back onto track, we are on a forum, and talking about profile info. If you want to go watch boats in and out of harbours or marinas, that's fine, but this is about information provided on the forum that can enable you to be identified.
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Loads. Also lots of cases about whether just the person making the statement is liable or also the "publisher" ie. IPC in the case of this forum.
Loads. Also lots of cases about whether just the person making the statement is liable or also the "publisher" ie. IPC in the case of this forum.
stevesales
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Re: Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
I have several times been threatened by bogus/nefarious/useless internet traders after having a go at them in some sort of forum.
I tend to reinforce my comments, publish the threats and give the name of my lawyer.
Never subsequently heard anything.
Not sure the comments need to be 'true' (whatever truth is) because I'm not convinced a comment on the Internet can be used as evidence. I accept that, for example, a valid bankers card transaction to buy some undesirable material would be pretty damning but you try and proove I originated this posting.
ps this is getting too existential for me, off to drink wine.
I have several times been threatened by bogus/nefarious/useless internet traders after having a go at them in some sort of forum.
I tend to reinforce my comments, publish the threats and give the name of my lawyer.
Never subsequently heard anything.
Not sure the comments need to be 'true' (whatever truth is) because I'm not convinced a comment on the Internet can be used as evidence. I accept that, for example, a valid bankers card transaction to buy some undesirable material would be pretty damning but you try and proove I originated this posting.
ps this is getting too existential for me, off to drink wine.
BrendanS
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Re: Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
OK, to go into more depth now the match is over. There seems to be a fixation with boat names, that I certainly wouldn't consider that important, it's only one of many ways you can be traced. People have challenged me before now to identify them from their profile, thinking they had given so little information that I could not do so.
Last time I used a series of small details, and then pm'ed with a complete list of information.
I've no issue with people providing whatever information about themselves they feel comfortable with. I'm just pointing out that some of us prefer not to provide a great deal of info, and that people should not be complacent about the information they provide, and how it can possibly be used, in response to your request that people provide more info.
OK, to go into more depth now the match is over. There seems to be a fixation with boat names, that I certainly wouldn't consider that important, it's only one of many ways you can be traced. People have challenged me before now to identify them from their profile, thinking they had given so little information that I could not do so.
Last time I used a series of small details, and then pm'ed with a complete list of information.
I've no issue with people providing whatever information about themselves they feel comfortable with. I'm just pointing out that some of us prefer not to provide a great deal of info, and that people should not be complacent about the information they provide, and how it can possibly be used, in response to your request that people provide more info.
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I had understood you to say that you could find out loads of information (owner, address, telephone number etc.) by taking a piece of information such as boat name and working on google etc.. I was saying that information such as boat name (also adresses etc.) is easily obtainable outside the forum, but I don't see people blackening the names off their boat's transoms. That is the relevance.
I had understood you to say that you could find out loads of information (owner, address, telephone number etc.) by taking a piece of information such as boat name and working on google etc.. I was saying that information such as boat name (also adresses etc.) is easily obtainable outside the forum, but I don't see people blackening the names off their boat's transoms. That is the relevance.
VicMallows
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Re: Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
Match over then!
Point I am trying to make is why are we paranoid? Everyone (especially Brendan /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif) knows where I live. Everyone knows where my boat is. If they're going to steal it they'll probably choose a better one; etc etc.
Vic
Match over then!
Point I am trying to make is why are we paranoid? Everyone (especially Brendan /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif) knows where I live. Everyone knows where my boat is. If they're going to steal it they'll probably choose a better one; etc etc.
Vic
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Of course it can be evidence admissible in court. The difficulty can be tracing the identity of the original poster, which may mean tracing ISP's etc. and any other evidence. If your name really is Steve sailing a boat called Wild Flower etc., then it probably wouldn't be too hard to persuade the court on the balance of probabilities that you made the post. If you're using a false identity, then more work is required to do the tracing, or you sue the publisher) /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Of course it can be evidence admissible in court. The difficulty can be tracing the identity of the original poster, which may mean tracing ISP's etc. and any other evidence. If your name really is Steve sailing a boat called Wild Flower etc., then it probably wouldn't be too hard to persuade the court on the balance of probabilities that you made the post. If you're using a false identity, then more work is required to do the tracing, or you sue the publisher) /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
jimi
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Re: Come on guys &amp; girls...fill-in your details!
There was no libel. Statement of fact is an absolute defence and also from what I understand if there is no malice then a subjective statement is not libellous either. I had a serious family situation at the time and had'nt the time or motivation to fight. It's the ease of tracking and thus the ability to threaten that worries me. FWIW in conversations with IPC it would likely have been them who would have been sued. I took it off line to try and get it resolved amicably, did'nt work. And also FWIW I would'nt buy a boat from Ancasta .. oops I've said it again. Wonder what'll happen now?
There was no libel. Statement of fact is an absolute defence and also from what I understand if there is no malice then a subjective statement is not libellous either. I had a serious family situation at the time and had'nt the time or motivation to fight. It's the ease of tracking and thus the ability to threaten that worries me. FWIW in conversations with IPC it would likely have been them who would have been sued. I took it off line to try and get it resolved amicably, did'nt work. And also FWIW I would'nt buy a boat from Ancasta .. oops I've said it again. Wonder what'll happen now?
claymore
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Thats the bottom line of course isn't it - it is about freedom of choice. I did have quite a bit of information on about myself when I first signed up but have gradually pared that down to what I want people to know.
I think its enough to read the posts of my friends here - I don't need to know much more and anyway, as Brendan says earlier - some of us have met up and become firm real friends (as opposed to virtual ones)
There are also people who post on here for whom I don't have much time and I really wouldn't want them knowing much about me.
Present company excepted! (or should that read accepted!!)
Thats the bottom line of course isn't it - it is about freedom of choice. I did have quite a bit of information on about myself when I first signed up but have gradually pared that down to what I want people to know.
I think its enough to read the posts of my friends here - I don't need to know much more and anyway, as Brendan says earlier - some of us have met up and become firm real friends (as opposed to virtual ones)
There are also people who post on here for whom I don't have much time and I really wouldn't want them knowing much about me.
Present company excepted! (or should that read accepted!!)
jimi
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Re: Come on guys &amp; girls...fill-in your details!
Claysie, I've been trying tae track ye through your old military number and So far I've got you as a Royal Scots Fusilier at Rorke's Drift
Claysie, I've been trying tae track ye through your old military number and So far I've got you as a Royal Scots Fusilier at Rorke's Drift
BrendanS
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Re: Come on guys & girls...fill-in your details!
You can't do very much with just a boatname per se, unless you have other supporting information, or the boat is identifiable as being unique in other ways. What you can do on a profile is package together all the clues needed to track someone, and make it very easy, and it is here on the internet that the people able to use that knowledge hang out, and no, it's not by using google on the whole
As I keep saying, but everyone seems to ignore, I'm not saying profiles shouldn't be filled in. Just that people should be aware of what information above and beyond what they think they are providing can be obtained about them.
Many directors of companies are particularly keen to provide minimal information, as they can be targetted quite easily.
You can't do very much with just a boatname per se, unless you have other supporting information, or the boat is identifiable as being unique in other ways. What you can do on a profile is package together all the clues needed to track someone, and make it very easy, and it is here on the internet that the people able to use that knowledge hang out, and no, it's not by using google on the whole
As I keep saying, but everyone seems to ignore, I'm not saying profiles shouldn't be filled in. Just that people should be aware of what information above and beyond what they think they are providing can be obtained about them.
Many directors of companies are particularly keen to provide minimal information, as they can be targetted quite easily.
VicMallows
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Re: Come on guys &amp; girls...fill-in your details!
Try it on with me and I'll welcome my day in court! ... quite carefull of the factual contents of my posts; opinions are a different matter.
Vic
Try it on with me and I'll welcome my day in court! ... quite carefull of the factual contents of my posts; opinions are a different matter.
Vic
l'escargot
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Re: Come on guys &amp; girls...fill-in your details!
I don't include too much information for a variety of reasons, including those that Brendan gives, but in addition to that I place little value on anyone elses bio because I have no way of evaluating whether it is true or not.
I put more importance in the knowledge of other posters I accumulate over a period of time. For example there are a number of regular posters who used to post under different names with different bios.
There is nothing to stop me putting down in my bio that I am an experienced multi hull owner with trans-Atlantic experience - neither is true. Treat all information on the internet as suspect and corroberate everything. The majority of users on this forum are genuine, well intentioned, boat owners, but you never know who else is lurking about.
There are lots of things in your life that you don't leave in the window, the internet is another window.
I don't include too much information for a variety of reasons, including those that Brendan gives, but in addition to that I place little value on anyone elses bio because I have no way of evaluating whether it is true or not.
I put more importance in the knowledge of other posters I accumulate over a period of time. For example there are a number of regular posters who used to post under different names with different bios.
There is nothing to stop me putting down in my bio that I am an experienced multi hull owner with trans-Atlantic experience - neither is true. Treat all information on the internet as suspect and corroberate everything. The majority of users on this forum are genuine, well intentioned, boat owners, but you never know who else is lurking about.
There are lots of things in your life that you don't leave in the window, the internet is another window.