Colregs: Restricted in her Ability to Manœuvre is not intended to be used by leisure yachts.

[sarabande]

Shirley the IMO doesn't approach Colregs with the "face value" approach ? Making a snap decision that requires a Colregs actions should not imply or infer obedience or lack of understanding. Correlation is not causation.

The thought process to reach a correct decision may be very complex*** as this thread has shown, and the web is full of incorrectly applied decisions.

*** especially for those of us who learned them under Board of Trade training in the late 1960s RAM, for instance, only came in in 1972 - that's my excuse.


I do have Campbell's excellent Yottie's guide to Colregs (bought on Zoidberg's recommendation). An excellent book.

 

[capnsensible]

Of course nearly every yacht carries NUC and RAM lights and shapes and the ability to rig them. They are normally stowed under the wing mirrors

 

[awol]

It seems strange that this 100+ thread is about day and light signals for leisure vessels that, from my experience, rarely use the much more simple inverted cone or ball and all too seldom an anchor light. I don't feel the need to rush out and buy a diamond, an extra ball, 3 all-round reds (I draw 1.65m after all) or all-round whites (in case I tow something). Angels dancing on pins come to mind

 

[RichardS]

It seems strange that this 100+ thread is about day and light signals for leisure vessels that, from my experience, rarely use the much more simple inverted cone or ball

I've never seen either of those in the Med.

Richard

 

[dom]

I've never seen either of those in the Med.

Richard

I quickly rigged an inverted cone this year when I saw a police Pompey boat closing a mile or so behind. ?

Doubt they'd have cared, although I have seen harbourmasters dinging boats for not displaying an anchor ball.

Good idea in the UK for insurance purposes if nothing else!

 

[Gary Fox]

It seems strange that this 100+ thread is about day and light signals for leisure vessels that, from my experience, rarely use the much more simple inverted cone or ball and all too seldom an anchor light. I don't feel the need to rush out and buy a diamond, an extra ball, 3 all-round reds (I draw 1.65m after all) or all-round whites (in case I tow something). Angels dancing on pins come to mind

In defence of my OP, it was about who can/ought to declare himself RAM, and for what reasons.

 

[Mark-1]

In defence of my OP, it was about who can/ought to declare himself RAM, and for what reasons.

Your OP needs no defence. There is no 'importance' requirement for forum posts.

As it happens a load of people have found it interesting enough to post on, and some (many?) of us have learned something.

 

[dom]

In defence of my OP, it was about who can/ought to declare himself RAM, and for what reasons.

It's been a great thread, strange but great

I say strange because COLREG threads, like their anchor cousins, tend to turn into pub dust-ups.

This by comparison feels more like a barrister's chambers

 

[JumbleDuck]

The Col regs are very much a case of less interpretation the better and don't over analyse the rules. Take them at face value. If you have to make a snap decision, as has been suggested, then clearly the Col regs have not been followed or understood.

There are plenty of cases where the IRPCS simply don't help, or don't fully help, snap decision or not. The simplest example, and one I am sure we have all been in is "What do you do when your are simultaneously give way to one boat and stand on to another?" but there are plenty of others. When, exactly, does a risk of collision arise? What happens when the stand on vessel can see the give way vessel but the give way vessel can't see the stand on one? (Give way has a masthead tricolour, stand on has deck-level lights

 

[Stemar]

"What do you do when your are simultaneously give way to one boat and stand on to another?"

Or when there are so many stand-on vessels that dodging one will have you run down another. Looking at you Chi Harbour! It seems that the accepted method is for the yachts to plough on, whether under power or sail and the dinghies dodge us. It works, but I do wonder what the courts would say if it went fatally wrong one day.

 

[Mark-1]

Or when there are so many stand-on vessels that dodging one will have you run down another. Looking at you Chi Harbour! It seems that the accepted method is for the yachts to plough on, whether under power or sail and the dinghies dodge us. It works, but I do wonder what the courts would say if it went fatally wrong one day.

That's my take on Chi. Bigger boats hold a steady course . Same sailing on a river as a kid. The Birmingham Navy in Hoseasons boats just held a predictable course and the dinghies avoid them.

 

[RichardS]

Or when there are so many stand-on vessels that dodging one will have you run down another. Looking at you Chi Harbour! It seems that the accepted method is for the yachts to plough on, whether under power or sail and the dinghies dodge us. It works, but I do wonder what the courts would say if it went fatally wrong one day.

I've always found that the trick is to move very slowly. As one's speed approaches zero, so does the damage inflicted.

Richard

 

[john_morris_uk]

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I've always found that the trick is to move very slowly. As one's speed approaches zero, so does the damage inflicted.

Richard

Bit like what I say to students learning boat handling. “Go as fast as you want to hit something”. (Of course you also need to add “as fast as you must but as slow as you can.” Because you need to retain control.)

 

[RichardS]

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I don't understand what Caraway's quote refers to?

Richard