Club pennent etiquette

Muchy I'm taking your advise: YIPPEE I have 2 weeks as of Saturday. Heading to Channel Islands then down to La Trinite from Chichester. Then jump ship and heading down to Bilbao, La Coruna and finaly Vigo.

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While sitting in the cockpit of a yacht with defaced blue ensign passerby (Blazer, flannels, polished docksiders) "Thats an interesting device on your fly which club do you belong to?"
To our shame we all looked groinwards.
No invite to host Yacht Club was issued!!

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Re: Norwegian Flag

Nordic Ranger- It wasn't you.
There was another identical boat in the anchorage - but there didn't seem to be any communication. BTW, both the flags were huge.
Also, I told my kids that an ensign should be taken down at sunset and hoisted again at sunrise.
Cue 11 year old crashing around on deck at 0520 on Sunday morning.


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Re: Sadly

"Maybe he's just passage back from Norway"

Must have been a pretty shitty trip. There was a large dog on board.

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In their case, it\'s a bit different

My late father, who wasn't a member, but who sailed a good deal on members' boats in the 20's and 30's, and who consequently turns up in sundry Year Books, taught me to practically salute whenever I saw that particular burgee, and indeed I still almost do! (On the other hand, the members whom I have sailed with never bothered with a burgee at all.)

I believe that James is correct, and the burgee should not be flown when a member is not on board. Conversely, if a member is in charge of another boat, not his own, he can fly the burgee, but not of course the ensign because the warrant is issued to his own yacht.

There again, my father also taught me that flying any sort of ensign when in home waters was formerly considered "tripperish" (now, there's a damning term!).

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Re: Norwegian Flag

I now it wasn't me I fly a small Norwegian flag but I have a huge one I don't often take it out (in public).
Was it you that I heard tonight asking 'Clyde' for a radio check about 2050hrs?

Jim.

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Re: Norwegian Flag

I am an englishman living in Sweden ,last year and year before in med.On My
Swedish registered boat I am in the habit of flying A RED ENSIGN from my port
side crosstree ( stbd. is of course kept for country courtesies flag)
apart from making everything more colourful ,it also helps in deciding what languages to use on entering strange harbours.

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Re: Norwegian Flag

This is exactly how it should be done. If the ensign is flown on the port side it indicates that someone of the crew (not necessarily the skipper) is of other nationality than the boat. If it is flown on the starboard side it's a curtesy flag while visiting that country.
So, it would be fully possible for i e a German citizen on a Swedish registered boat visiting Norway to have the Swedish ensign aft, a German flag in the port crosstrees and a Norwegian one in the starboard dito.

Now, if a curtesy flag is flown, normally the club pennant should be shifted to port. So the question now arises, should the pennant be placed above or below the German ensign? :-)

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Re: Norwegian Flag

And that's how I do it: Italian flag on the stern, Croatian flag on the s'board crosstrees when in Croatia, and red ensign on the port side. When my Argentinian wife is aboard, her flag flies beneath the red ensign, so I'm on top of her which reflects er er...

This Argie ensign is called the 'dunno' flag because this is what people say when they see us: "Oh, look, the skipper's British but the other one... dunno"

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Re: In their case, it\'s a bit different

Surely the original configuration: club burgee at masthead, and red ensign might actually be a correct configuration in certain circumstances? I.e. a club member who doesn't have a warrant for a blue ensign. Of course, it was actually incorrect for the OP to fly the burgee, as he's not a club member, but the bufton-tufton who complained _might_ have been wrong.

IMHO, for borrowing your father's boat, you should fly your own burgee and a red ensign. If you're not the member of a club, and you want to fly a burgee, you could have a plain one, or couldn't you make your own? - a house burgee?

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Re: In their case, it\'s a bit different

Responce from Stephen Johnson, RYA Cruising Manager:
"Your father is entirely correct in that the privileged ensign should not
be worn when you are taking out the vessel. The Red Ensign is the
correct one here.
An red ensign being worn indicates that someone is onboard, i.e. the
vessel is in service (other than when it is lowered in the evening). It
would indicate that the holder of the warrant is onboard when the blue
ensign is worn.
The club pennant (burgee) denotes the club membership of the
owner/skipper ONBOARD the vessel. Therefore if your father is not
onboard because you are borrowing the boat then the burgee must be
removed.
The only time the observed scenario would be allowed is if your father
was onboard, as a club member, and he was not in possession of the
warrant to wear the privileged ensign, maybe because he was a new member
and was not yet allowed, etc. Perhaps one other scenario might be that a
foreign official hade refused to accept the blue ensign and demanded the
red be worn, to avoid a worsening situation you would revert to red
ensign and complain later. The burgee would therefore still be flown."

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Re: Norwegian Flag

Does this mean that I should fly a a Belgian flag on my port crosstrees as well as on the starboard crosstrees when visiting a Belgian port with my Belgian wife and Swedish registered yacht?

Per

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Re: Norwegian Flag

We saw a yacht flying a defaced blue ensign at the stern and a defaced red ensign below a club burgee at the port spreader. Nothing at the starboard spreader. What does that lot mean?

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Re: Norwegian Flag

Someone who is a member of two yacht clubs lining himself up for a rude letter from the club secretary.

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