Closing uk marinas

[BruceK]

@volvopaul youre welcome to come and do stuff on my boat but you’ll have to stay on it for 14 days.....alone ???

I'll come raft up and check your airfilters if your funbox is well stocked (Y) You can stay at home though. I see your marina's are open to visitors, we just not allowed to get off the boat. Kind of defeats the object, but the message is clear. This will be the UK soon too I gather. It's going to be a very long summer.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

You obviously have a good enough income without going out the house or are retired, either way unfortunately for the rest of the country who isn’t classed as a key worker have to earn a living , I’m also self employed so I won’t get a penny from the state .
You keep going on about being selfish , you need to think a bit more before you type , all you have done in the last few posts is insult others , then again you have done this times many before , including me .
Grow up man , there is no wonder this forum has lost a lot of the regulars ,who’s left doesn’t want to sit and read your opinions.

VP there is no current govt advice that stops you, me or anyone else travelling to their place of work in order to work. The only activity the govt has advised us not to undertake is non essential travel. Personally I would class going to your boat for a pleasure cruise as non essential travel but you going to a customer's boat to carry out work in order to earn a living is essential travel IMHO

If everyone stopped going to their place of work and sat on their arse at home instead, the country really would be in a lot deeper trouble than it is now

 

[Portofino]

@ Portofino ? ? Your dispassionate bedside manner is not comforting me in the slightest. I am fighting fit and loving and living life to the fullest. Unfortunately I do have a dodgy heart which to date has not slowed me down much and I feel I am no burden and also have every right to live so marginalising people like me with a " well you're f*cked and gonna die for the common good" is not comforting . The more I think of the common good the more selfish I feel. Sod this, I'm going to the boat. Soon as it's launched. Then party till I drop dead happy and drunk rather than gasping and gagging.

Think you missed a few points ?
I never inferred what the thrust of your post means ( if I understand it correctly ? )
Its influenza you have presumably survived that previously so relax .Influenza has been seasonally wiping out 8000 “ vulnerable “ folks any how each year . So you have made the cut in the previous years ? The NHS arguably some years has struggled with that ?

Its just this time round we are trying adapt folks behaviour so the current 12 000 odd ITU beds * don’t reach full capacity .

* as of 20 March 2020 .
That number is increasing or potentially can be increased with additional staff ( or minimal down time for existing ) AND more kit like ventilators.......work in progress .

@ Farsco ....yes it’s droplets etc from folks who have it , ( thought everyone knew that ? ) some walking round asymptomatically as you say in crowded pubs , the others in the room/ space inhaling the virus .......hence the “social isolation” and to date voluntary minimal moving about of folks .The public info guidance is out now and not unreasonable re surface contacts but at the end of the day it’s a respiratory disease from a virus who’s main portal in via breathing infected air from others infected nearby .

Bacteria are a different kettle of fish and if it was a bacteriological diseases then I would share your view on stringent surface contact hygiene.
As said it’s doesn’t really matter NOW as the msg going out is out and there’s no point confusing Joe Public changing the msg .
stringent surface contact measures can do no harm either .

So the important thing with “ social distances”at this stage is NOT to breath the exhaled air other folks if can help it .
The 2 M rule has dropped of a cloud btw but again don’t hang your hat on it .
8 folks sat in an essentially sealed office or studio for that matter ( lasts nights question time ? ) with inadequate ventilation exactly 2 m apart ( or more ) , if one person of the 8 is infected the others will soon inhale his / her exhalations and thus the virus spreads . The longer they are together even 2 M apart the increased chances of the virus ending up in all 8 lungs .
Remember majority will get natural antibodies asymptomatically as it spreads through the herd which it will until a vaccine pops up .As time passes some of the group will develop natural antibodies.........eventually all will .Its perfectly feasible none will ever feel any symptoms, or a couple maybe very mild and be unconcerned .

How ever if a couple do get ill sufficiently to need hospitalisation ( most wont ) then that’s the whole point ....not all at once to overwhelm the health care resources .

Once a simple home antibody test kit comes out then those with antibodies can then start to go back to there normal movement activity, and of course be reassured .As the numbers of antigen + ve increases the pressure on the health care provision decreases .
Its gonna be a long haul .

 

[Mr Googler]

Defo agree a quick test kit is the silver bullet.....vaccine of course the gold!

 

[Mr Googler]

I'll come raft up and check your airfilters if your funbox is well stocked (Y) You can stay at home though. I see your marina's are open to visitors, we just not allowed to get off the boat. Kind of defeats the object, but the message is clear. This will be the UK soon too I gather. It's going to be a very long summer.

I’ll take a photo of you going to Tesco for Malbec.....after a 10k fine.....it’ll be an expensive bottle! Better to do 3 months in the nick and pick the bottle up on your way out ???

 

[Portofino]

VP there is no current govt advice that stops you, me or anyone else travelling to their place of work in order to work. The only activity the govt has advised us not to undertake is non essential travel. Personally I would class going to your boat for a pleasure cruise as non essential travel but you going to a customer's boat to carry out work in order to earn a living is essential travel IMHO

If everyone stopped going to their place of work and sat on their arse at home instead, the country really would be in a lot deeper trouble than it is now

The GOV is trying to balance the biological argument with your economic argument.
Both are important .
Its debatable which is more important than the other , it’s a fluid answer and the emphasis will change as the weeks progress .

So the tube in London has stay open to supply the healthcare and other key workers transport .
This grates with the biology of spreading the virus per se , but sits well with the economic argument.
Healthcare workers need to commute to battle with the capacity issue of the sick ....enough beds etc
Other key workers to keep the economy/ infrastructure functional .
Same rational for partial school closure in the U.K. .
I mean power cuts and food shortages ( excluding “ hamstering “ ) ......will be counter productive .

 

[BruceK]

@Portofino it was the casual " and unfortunately folks with underlying health conditions as said will not survive" comment. I mean I take no umbrage over it, it's clinically concise, just a bit damning

 

[jrudge]

You obviously have a good enough income without going out the house or are retired, either way unfortunately for the rest of the country who isn’t classed as a key worker have to earn a living , I’m also self employed so I won’t get a penny from the state .
You keep going on about being selfish , you need to think a bit more before you type , all you have done in the last few posts is insult others , then again you have done this times many before , including me .
Grow up man , there is no wonder this forum has lost a lot of the regulars ,who’s left doesn’t want to sit and read your opinions.

I appreciate big plums has form but in this case lets look at what is being said.

Govt advises against all be essential travel / contact. Boating is not essential. Should people do it. No.

Boat engineer visiting his place of work ( which happens to be a boat) is within the rules, just like people working in a call centre who cannot work from home.

Even in Spain boat engineers are allowed to work - but I believe the requirement is they must be alone ( not sure how jobs needing more than one person are undertaken).

If you goto a marina to work and there are lots of pleasure boaters there that actually puts you and your lively hood at stake - so I would imagine that you do not want pleasure boaters in the marinas.

the two cases are very different. One is within the "requests" made of the govt and the other is not.

 

[38mess]

I run a charter boat in the UK, our marina has just advised us to be sensible and heed government advice. No mention of closing it down, it's electric entry and exit and there are no ( supposedly) live aboards. So not much chance of bumping into people.

 

[alandalus11]

What harm can going to the boat do? If you are on your own. Have no contact with others or keep recommended safe distance. Keep to common sense practices of washing hands as you would with any other contagious illness.

On the other hand what harm can going to the shops do? All the selfish people queuing up at 6 in the morning, all next to each other, spreading their germs, touching trolleys, stockpiling food so that there is none for anybody else, crowds in the supermarkets mingling with each other, not keeping a good distance and spreading any virus they may have.

I know which one of these situations I would rather be in.

 

[Bigplumbs]

The social distancing thing is what's important, surely.

If you are lucky enough to live in an area that isn't too densely populated, then it's entirely possible to be outside without either contracting or spreading disease.

If you live in London or another large city, then that's a lot harder.

The virus can live on surfaces for up to 72 hours

 

[Bigplumbs]

What harm can going to the boat do? If you are on your own. Have no contact with others or keep recommended safe distance. Keep to common sense practices of washing hands as you would with any other contagious illness.

On the other hand what harm can going to the shops do? All the selfish people queuing up at 6 in the morning, all next to each other, spreading their germs, touching trolleys, stockpiling food so that there is none for anybody else, crowds in the supermarkets mingling with each other, not keeping a good distance and spreading any virus they may have.

I know which one of these situations I would rather be in.

As to harm potentially quite a lot........ People are missing the real question........... How necessary is it and it simply is not necessary

 

[Bigplumbs]

interesting that you don’t include helping others in your list.............!

Yes that is indeed on the list. In fact trying to get people to be responsible is also on the list and that of course is helping others....... I say again pleasure boating is not necessary

 

[Bigplumbs]

You obviously have a good enough income without going out the house or are retired, either way unfortunately for the rest of the country who isn’t classed as a key worker have to earn a living , I’m also self employed so I won’t get a penny from the state .
You keep going on about being selfish , you need to think a bit more before you type , all you have done in the last few posts is insult others , then again you have done this times many before , including me .
Grow up man , there is no wonder this forum has lost a lot of the regulars ,who’s left doesn’t want to sit and read your opinions.

I am the son of a farm labourer, I have never received any unearned monies other than £2000 from my Grand mother when she died. I have worked since I was 14 and am still working on a zero hours contract so I am also loosing a lot of earnings at the moment...... That is not important keeping people safe is important.

Difference might be that I have always saved and built up some reserves and hence financial resilience as other should always do both Businesses and Individuals.

I am not insulting anyone I am trying to get people to see sense and comply with what is sensible so that this can be knocked on the head as soon as possible.

 

[Bigplumbs]

I am afraid the attitude of some people in this thread is quite upsetting. I am out of this thread. On last thought

Are your Boating activities worth anyones life

 

[AllanG]

I am out of this thread. On last thought

Phew.....good decision, as I was getting fed up with you banging on about what everyone, IYHO, should be doing!!!

 

[BruceK]

I am afraid the attitude of some people in this thread is quite upsetting. I am out of this thread. On last thought

Are your Boating activities worth anyones life

I work from home. I have already been in self isolation for over 30 years, and live in a forest which further isolates me. From my home 5 minutes away I tow a tender to the river. I touch nothing that is not already mine, there is absolutely no need to. My boat is in the middle of the river 50 yards from anyone else. I go to sea immediately, I do anyway. I dont get off my boat unless it's on a secluded, non accessible but from sea, cove anyway, nothing new there that's standard practise. Now I just mingle with nobody and seek seclusion. Tell me how is this irresponsible?
This is for the long haul. I have 2 preteen kids. I cant keep them in their rooms until end of summer. They too have to blow steam and get out. Where better than on a completely secluded spot far from people?
Yes I am 100% behind social distancing, what I am not is behind a knee jerk reaction and a soap box drama handed out by a brimstone and hellfire drama queen. You still have to go to shops, not doing so forces hoarding. By your own argument you're either hoarding or finding a convenient soap box. Lets rather talk about that shall we. What is the protocol for standing in queues.
I will have even less contact with people from a boat. No postmen, no couriers, no people....period. You argument in my circumstances just suck.

Even stick up a quarantine flag for you

I could go on with loads of pics of completely deserted spaces.

 

[volvopaul]

I work from home. I have already been in self isolation for over 30 years, and live in a forest which further isolates me. From my home 5 minutes away I tow a tender to the river. I touch nothing that is not already mine, there is absolutely no need to. My boat is in the middle of the river 50 yards from anyone else. I go to sea immediately, I do anyway. I dont get off my boat unless it's on a secluded, non accessible but from sea, cove anyway, nothing new there that's standard practise. Now I just mingle with nobody and seek seclusion. Tell me how is this irresponsible?
This is for the long haul. I have 2 preteen kids. I cant keep them in their rooms until end of summer. They too have to blow steam and get out. Where better than on a completely secluded spot far from people?
Yes I am 100% behind social distancing, what I am not is behind a knee jerk reaction and a soap box drama handed out by a brimstone and hellfire drama queen. You still have to go to shops, not doing so forces hoarding. By your own argument you're either hoarding or finding a convenient soap box. Lets rather talk about that shall we. What is the protocol for standing in queues.
I will have even less contact with people from a boat. No postmen, no couriers, no people....period. You argument in my circumstances just suck.

Even stick up a quarantine flag for you

I could go on with loads of pics of completely deserted spaces.

You live in a forest , wow any good roads in there I can bring the Escort for a blast round ? I’d of course have to ask BP permission.
On a serious note which forest ?

 

[alandalus11]

I am afraid the attitude of some people in this thread is quite upsetting. I am out of this thread. On last thought

Are your Boating activities worth anyone's life

Question? Is the selfish activity of people stockpiling worth anyones life. As I said, there is far more mass gathering outside/inside supermarkets by inconsiderate self minded people to give this virus the ability to spread amongst them. Are you telling me that you will not go down to the supermarket for fear of touching a contaminated trolley or a pack of produce that has been picked up and put back down. The stockfiller that has touched the products, the cashier who handle's your products as she puts them through the till. That to me is more of a risk.

A single person, not in contact with anyone, going to his/her boat in my view is not risking anyone's life.

 

[volvopaul]

Question? Is the selfish activity of people stockpiling worth anyones life. As I said, there is far more mass gathering outside/inside supermarkets by inconsiderate self minded people to give this virus the ability to spread amongst them. Are you telling me that you will not go down to the supermarket for fear of touching a contaminated trolley or a pack of produce that has been picked up and put back down. The stockfiller that has touched the products, the cashier who handle's your products as she puts them through the till. That to me is more of a risk.

A single person, not in contact with anyone, going to his/her boat in my view is not risking anyone's life.

I’m currently in Tenerife airport, the taxis are only taking one person in there cab so a couple have to have one each and pay twice , that’s clever .
Check in is outside the front of the building in the car park , hope our bags land back in the uk as not really secure.
Everyone not living here to be off the Island by Sunday , why can’t the uk deport all the people who shouldn’t be in the UK .
The place is very quiet , Tenerife as an island has very little cases of the virus with no new cases , it came from an Italian Doctor who is in hospital doing well .