Clipper Race.

[capnsensible]

Yes, absolutely. And clearly they have a model that works for them.

It's pretty hard to get interested in a RTW race where the crews are paying for the privilege and the boats are demonstrably considerably slower than mine, And then they do things like stop a leg in the middle of the ocean because it got a bit light.

For a RTW race in "not the latest tech" boats the OGR is a lot more interesting I think.

How did they stop a leg in the middle of an ocean?

 

[Wansworth]

How did they stop a leg in the middle of an ocean?

Doesnt everybody anchour at night

 

[ithet]

How did they stop a leg in the middle of an ocean?

"
The Clipper Race Office has been monitoring the fleet's progress and weather forecast and potential arrival times into Puerto Sherry. Unfortunately, the fleet has been hampered due to adverse headwinds interspersed with very light wind conditions on its way down the Iberian Penisula from Cape Finisterre in northwestern Spain towards Cape St Vincent on the southwest tip of Portugal.

The arrival window into port was getting increasingly late and the Race Committee has decided to apply a time limit on racing.

Therefore, Race 1 will officially end at 1200 UTC (1300 BST) today (9 September 2023).

Each team has been asked to send its exact positions to the Race Office at 1200 UTC (1300 BST) and the measurement will be taken from its position to the next mark of the course which is Mark No. 13 Virtual Mark Rivers in position 37°00.000N, 011°00.000W

Any measurements will be calculated by the Race Director using TimeZero software for consistency.

Race 1 finishing positions will be awarded based on this information.

This makes the Ocean Sprint section of Race 1 null and void.

IMPORTANT NOTE - Any teams that have a 6-hour time penalty pending will have their Race Finish distances calculated on their 0600 UTC (0700 BST) position.

After 1200 UTC (1300 BST) teams will all officially have ceased racing and can make the best speed to Puerto Sherry by any means. However, teams must still abide by the rules of the racing marks as laid out in the Course Instructions."



Race 1 Update: Shortened course

 

[dunedin]

Yes, absolutely. And clearly they have a model that works for them.

It's pretty hard to get interested in a RTW race where the crews are paying for the privilege and the boats are demonstrably considerably slower than mine, And then they do things like stop a leg in the middle of the ocean because it got a bit light.

For a RTW race in "not the latest tech" boats the OGR is a lot more interesting I think.

Yes but this is an event for the benefit of the participants, not a spectator event for exciting non participants (like the Vendee Globe, or the Whitbread once was).
It is a "race" only to add interest for the paying crew. The serious races are crewed by full time professionals. Completely different propositions.

 

[flaming]

Yes but this is an event for the benefit of the participants, not a spectator event for exciting non participants (like the Vendee Globe, or the Whitbread once was).
It is a "race" only to add interest for the paying crew. The serious races are crewed by full time professionals. Completely different propositions.

Yes. I understand that. It’s literally my point. I’ve said exactly that in several posts on this thread!

 

[capnsensible]

There was obviously some commercial benefit of a short shakedown leg to Puerto Sherry. It's hardly ocean racing is it? Bit of a coastal hop. And if the boats were going to arrive at or after the race restart then seems to me they got it right.

Remind me, didn't something similar happen in the last Ocean Race? All these pit stops are OK until Neptune fiddles around with the weather, isn't it?

The next leg, proper Ocean, will be the test with no hiding place on the way to Uruguay. And they still look like having some light airs sailing. It's a bit different to a little tootle around the Isle of Wight!

Hope they enjoy the short time in Puert Sherry. As I said, long walk to the bar!

 

[Wansworth]

There was obviously some commercial benefit of a short shakedown leg to Puerto Sherry. It's hardly ocean racing is it? Bit of a coastal hop. And if the boats were going to arrive at or after the race restart then seems to me they got it right.

Remind me, didn't something similar happen in the last Ocean Race? All these pit stops are OK until Neptune fiddles around with the weather, isn't it?

The next leg, proper Ocean, will be the test with no hiding place on the way to Uruguay. And they still look like having some light airs sailing. It's a bit different to a little tootle around the Isle of Wight!

Hope they enjoy the short time in Puert Sherry. As I said, long walk to the bar!

I imagine they will be endevouring to keep fit

 

[flaming]

There was obviously some commercial benefit of a short shakedown leg to Puerto Sherry. It's hardly ocean racing is it? Bit of a coastal hop. And if the boats were going to arrive at or after the race restart then seems to me they got it right.

Remind me, didn't something similar happen in the last Ocean Race? All these pit stops are OK until Neptune fiddles around with the weather, isn't it?

The next leg, proper Ocean, will be the test with no hiding place on the way to Uruguay. And they still look like having some light airs sailing. It's a bit different to a little tootle around the Isle of Wight!

Hope they enjoy the short time in Puert Sherry. As I said, long walk to the bar!

I think you’ve described very well why the Vendée is the only RTW race I really follow these days. I barely followed the Ocean race.

 

[capnsensible]

I think you’ve described very well why the Vendée is the only RTW race I really follow these days. I barely followed the Ocean race.

They missed you.

 

[matt1]

I think you’ve described very well why the Vendée is the only RTW race I really follow these days. I barely followed the Ocean race.

Agree with this and I also didn’t follow the ocean race at the start, especially as PRB was winning every leg to begin with but I really got into following Boris, Will and Rosalin who were so impressive and compulsive viewing. Was worth following just for the video content. I thought the presenter who covered the race was significantly better than Andi during the Vendee too. I love the Vendee race but I don’t think some of commentary has improved with the race and for me the Ocean Race felt a bit more like Sail GP and therefore on another level to the Vendee. I hope the Vendee take note

 

[capnsensible]

Off again. Won't be a pit stop on this leg......unless a boat bit gets broke......

 

[flaming]

I've just noticed that the clipper and the Ocean Globe race are now in a very similar part of the ocean and the breeze looks to be reasonably steady across the area. And that the OGR boat, a Swan 65, that is the very closest to the clipper fleet did a last 24 hour run of 213 miles. The lead clipper did a last 24 hour run of..... 212 miles!

Should be interesting watching over the next few days of tradewind sailing for both fleets.

 

[flaming]

I've just noticed that the clipper and the Ocean Globe race are now in a very similar part of the ocean and the breeze looks to be reasonably steady across the area. And that the OGR boat, a Swan 65, that is the very closest to the clipper fleet did a last 24 hour run of 213 miles. The lead clipper did a last 24 hour run of..... 212 miles!

Should be interesting watching over the next few days of tradewind sailing for both fleets.

So almost exactly 24 hours later....

The lead Clipper had a 24 hour run of 230 miles. So a smidge under 10 knots average.
The closest OGR boat, a Swan 65. Had a 24 hour run of 209 miles.
The lead OGR boat, which is slightly further ahead and a 73 foot ketch, (Pen Duick IV) had a 24 hour run of 247.

 

[capnsensible]

5 have arrived in Punta del este now, rather fittingly won by.....Punta Del Este. Remaining 6 are floundering around in some light airs. Forecasting to fill in a bit later tho.