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Out bowsprit then .... you have to remember - your chartplotter cost more than the dinghy ... and they are used to swimming...

Shouting and screaming doesn't help.... go and have a quiet word with the race officer and protest the individuals who have contraviened the colregs ... they _should_ then hold a protest and could disqualify said boats.

I'm sure JD would love to know why you think he's biased and what he could do to ... but if you don't contact him he can't help can he ...

But ... if you want me to start writing about the number of times I've been swamped by or had to avoid a Gin Palace in open water I could start ....

6 of 1, half dozen of the other ?!

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Re: Me too

Things don't change!!!

I had this problem on many an occasion when moored in chi.

I like to see this happen now having moved up from 40' to 111' and 200 tonnes, just stopping the old girl takes at least 800 yards from tick over in gear. Saying that I probably wouldn't be able to see the little blighters anyway.

Chris

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I have contacted him several times by e-mail and letter . no reply, just read his EDUCATION BLARNY then ask about biase

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Incident Reporting

Having just had a quick look at the Chichester Conservancy Website I notice a distinct lack of information regarding formal reporting of incidents afloat or representation of harbour user groups etc.
Perhaps they could learn something from QHM?

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Chichester sounds like hell on earth - glad I'm not there.

As a newcomer to boating this year I had no pre-conceived ideas about this whole raggie v stinkie thing, but my experiences this year have proved very enlightening.

I am acutely aware that my boat weighs 13 tonnes, goes quickly and therefore creates a fair wash. With this in mind I always make sure I give sailing vessels a very wide berth. But how wide is enough? Clearly 1/4 mile wasn't enough for one raging chap who waved his fists in the air 2 miles SE of Dartmouth. I actually though he was in distress and turned round to approach him. Needless to say his mouth was as foul as his temper.

But what really gets me is the utter lack of any kind of consideration when in narrow channels. Of course I always ensure that I am fulfilling my obligations and if anything go a bit OTT to avoid any kind of collision. So why is it that on at least 5 occassions this year - in Salcombe and Fowey - that I was completely ignored by a bunch of dinghy sailors who had seen me but seemed more interested in carrying on their own conversation?

It all boils down to arrogance. Some of the raggies I have had the misfortune to come into close proximity with obviously regard the seas as the exclusive preserve of their kind. We MOBOs are just a new-fangled annoyance and no consideration at all should be shown to us. Quite frankly it makes me sick.

Of course I am also aware that not all raggies think this way, but there are more than a few that do.

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Thats what I said - all parties .....

I did have a little fun quite a few years back ... towing 6 optimists in a line behind our launch .... a racing fleet came down through the harbour and were faced us across their racing path ... but what could I do? It takes quite some time to change course, I was towing anyway ... they had no choice but to go round us!

It does sound like you have an acute issue with dinghies around the marina entrance ... you really should approach the club officers and talk them through the problems you face, I doubt many dinghy sailors read this!

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Result . they can cross the channel when ever they like, if they want to set a race course across the channel they can"

Never mind the potential boat damage...perhaps you should ask the club committee how they are going to feel if and when someone (probably dinghy crew rather than mobo crew) gets injured as a result of a collision when it transpires that they have set a course across a busy channel after receiving warnings of the potential danger. I now use a mobo but my son sails a dinghy. If I were on the race committee I wouldn't want it on my conscience that I set a course that took someone else's son or daughter into the path of a 10 tonne yacht knowing that this was avoidable.

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I agree that dinghy's are required to stay clear in Chi marina approach. I believe they have to sign a form agreeing they are give way vessels in the approach.

If you think the problem is bad now just wait another year. Chichester Yacht Club is about to start a large expansion specifically for the dinghy section (although this is not the official line) There'll be hundreds more of the buggers ignoring the ColRegs.

Personally I don't believe it's worth contacting the club as it is heavily biased towards sailing and dinghies.

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That\'s better!!

I wondered why my comments haven't ruffled a few more feathers. Actually, one dingy I like is the Mirror - sailed one for a few miles last year across our estuary.

As for the rest...

BTW - Account Manager has nothing to do with accountancy (common mistake)

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Colregs says...

Doesn't matter a hoot what manager says. Col regs says:-


Rule 9


Narrow Channels

(a) A vessel proceeding along the course of a narrow channel or fairway shall keep as near to the outer limit of the channel or fairway which lies on her starboard side as is safe and practicable.

(b) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length or a sailing vessel shall not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway.

(c) A vessel engaged in fishing shall not impede the passage of any other vessel navigating within a narrow passage or fairway.

(d) A vessel shall not cross a narrow passage or fairway if such crossing impedes the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within such channel or fairway. The latter vessel may use the sound signal prescribed in Rule 34(d) if in doubt as to the intention of the crossing vessel.

(e)

(i) In a narrow channel or fairway when overtaking can take place only when the vessel to be overtaken has to take action to permit safe passing, the vessel intending to overtake shall indicate her intention by sounding the appropriate signal prescribed in Rule 34(c)(i). The vessel to be overtaken shall, if in agreement, sound the appropriate signal prescribed in Rule 34(c)(ii) and take steps to permit safe passing. If in doubt she may sound the signals prescribed in Rule 34(d).

(ii) This rule does not relieve the overtaking vessel of her obligation under Rule 13.

(f) A vessel nearing a bend or an area of a narrow channel or fairway where other vessels may be obscured by an intervening obstruction shall navigate with particular alertness and caution and shall sound the appropriate signal prescribed in Rule 34(e).

(g) Any vessel shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, avoid anchoring in a narrow channel.

Any dinghy sailors / harbour managers wish to dispute this??



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