Cheapest and easiest registry?

When I looked at it for my latest boat - it was strongly advised to use an Agent ... even though it looked simple enough.

Then I was advised to look at Swedish and it was a done deal - no competition !!
Many thanks everyone for their feedback..
I just checked the Swedish registry and it seems to imply that you either need to live in Sweden, or the owner has to be Swedish or something. Just being a "Swedish Chef" is apparently not enough :)
 
Many thanks everyone for their feedback..
I just checked the Swedish registry and it seems to imply that you either need to live in Sweden, or the owner has to be Swedish or something. Just being a "Swedish Chef" is apparently not enough :)

Please read my post earlier - the requirement for Swedish Residence is bypassed LEGALLY by using the Swedish Cruising Association ... you become a member (gives you various benefits like a number free mooring sites etc) ... then apply for Register.

English | Svenska Kryssarklubben

Some parts are better to view in original swedish and then use browser translate ....

Register membership - Member information

I am an English guy living in Latvia with Swedish registered boat.
 
Please read my post earlier - the requirement for Swedish Residence is bypassed LEGALLY by using the Swedish Cruising Association ... you become a member (gives you various benefits like a number free mooring sites etc) ... then apply for Register.

English | Svenska Kryssarklubben

Some parts are better to view in original swedish and then use browser translate ....

Register membership - Member information

I am an English guy living in Latvia with Swedish registered boat.
Oh I'm sorry! I haven't had enough coffee yet.. Many thanks, registering to be a proud member of the Swedish Cruising Association soon.
 
Oh I'm sorry! I haven't had enough coffee yet.. Many thanks, registering to be a proud member of the Swedish Cruising Association soon.

No need 'sorry' .... the online can be a bit confusing on many sites ... it does say in some sections about Swedish Residence ... just need to know where to scroll onto to !

Hope it does all you need .....

I also registered VHF and AIS via Swedish Telecomunications Site ... note that the email address listed is wrong !! But a little more delving gets it sorted !
 
Its the other way round that can prove hard. I wanted Insurance in EU for Latvian boat with me as English owner with full permanent Latvian residency. EU based Insurance refused based on my being a Brit .. Even Manheimer who had previously insured my boat said no.
A few years ago I got fed up with the large premium hikes despite no change in risk on my boat from a UK broker I had used for years. They told me that this was to cover underwriter's losses in the Caribbean. It seemed all none UK based boats were paying for the hit regardless of the risks in their area.
I went to the local Portuguese broker who insures my cars and took out third party cover at local rates. No problem being a UK citizen with permanent Portuguese residence. An Australian (none-resident) friend was also finding his premiums getting silly so I took him along to the brokers office and he happily took out similar local cover at local rates.
 
A few years ago I got fed up with the large premium hikes despite no change in risk on my boat from a UK broker I had used for years. They told me that this was to cover underwriter's losses in the Caribbean. It seemed all none UK based boats were paying for the hit regardless of the risks in their area.
I went to the local Portuguese broker who insures my cars and took out third party cover at local rates. No problem being a UK citizen with permanent Portuguese residence. An Australian (none-resident) friend was also finding his premiums getting silly so I took him along to the brokers office and he happily took out similar local cover at local rates.

Few years ago ... very true ... I had same.

But today - needs a good search and shop around to find any to insure as easy as it was then.
 
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I just checked the Swedish registry and it seems to imply that you either need to live in Sweden, or the owner has to be Swedish or something. Just being a "Swedish Chef" is apparently not enough :)
Please be aware that the Swedish Cruising Association (SXK) is basically a nation wide boating club and that its register of yachts has no ties to Swedish authorities or Sweden as a nation. The only slight link to 'official Sweden' is that the government has at one point authorised the association to issue an 'international certificate for pleasure crafts'.
Private individuals living in Europe may become members, may register their boats and may apply for the certificate.
Please also note that registration in SXK of a boat owned by someone who is not Swedish, does not give him or her the right to fly the Swedish flag.
As well explained here...
International certificate | Svenska Kryssarklubben
 
Please be aware that the Swedish Cruising Association (SXK) is basically a nation wide boating club and that its register of yachts has no ties to Swedish authorities or Sweden as a nation. The only slight link to 'official Sweden' is that the government has at one point authorised the association to issue an 'international certificate for pleasure crafts'.
Private individuals living in Europe may become members, may register their boats and may apply for the certificate.
Please also note that registration in SXK of a boat owned by someone who is not Swedish, does not give him or her the right to fly the Swedish flag.
As well explained here...
International certificate | Svenska Kryssarklubben

Considering that a large % of boats around the Baltic are with this registration and carry the Swedish Flag - as I do as well ... it is highly unlikely such technicality would ever be an issue.

I will go even further ... Latvia is pushing hard to get us to swap to Latvian Register from Swedish / Polish etc.
Basically it is because there are trip boats operating out of harbours - taking public for day trips etc. but under Swedish / Norwegian registry etc. - making it near impossible for latvian Authorities to control safety etc.
Would it be reasonable to expect that if the right to Swedish Flag was not there - the Latvians would use that fact to strengthen their case. But they don't.

Uldis - Borgstrom 31 ... Latvian living in Ventspils - boat Swedish Registry - flies Swedish Flag as we all have ... was stopped by Latvian Border Patrol Craft couple weeks ago ...
Uldis - Latvian natural Citizen
Licence issued in Canada
Boat registered Sweden
Swedish flag flying
Boat kept Ventspils Latvia.

They looked at all docs - laughed .. said paldius (thankyou) and off they went.

OK ... in the last 2 weeks .... I'm CA HLR and I get to meet various CA and non CA boats that visit our harbour ...

Out of 20 boats in that period. As I recall ....... 6 boats were Swedish + mine 7 (only 2 were actual Swedish owners).... 4 boats were German (all German owned) ..... 2 Lithuanian (only 1 was Lithuanian owned) ..... 5 Finland (one was owned by Belgian guy living in Switzerland) .... 2 Latvian (Lat owners).

BabaYaga point taken - but easily shown to be ignored ...

I would like to see evidence of arrest anywhere ... as I doubt it has occurred in general cruised areas.
 
So, to keep everything strictly legal and above board, what flag should be flown ?
Given that the OP is not intending staying in the Baltic, but taking the boat to Turkey all this stuff about local Swedish registration is irrelevant.

The safest registry is one of the Red Ensign group, UK part 1, or Jersey/Guernsey are the simplest and fully accepted internationally including Turkey.
 
Given that the OP is not intending staying in the Baltic, but taking the boat to Turkey all this stuff about local Swedish registration is irrelevant.

The safest registry is one of the Red Ensign group, UK part 1, or Jersey/Guernsey are the simplest and fully accepted internationally including Turkey.

OP asked ... it was offered as one possibility ... Baltic or not makes no odds unless intended to stay in a right ar**** jurisdiction.

As for UK Pt1 .... first of all Survey go with application ... then provision of 64ths ... 'simplest' ??

I agree Pt1 would be top of the list .... but not for simplicity or costs ................
 
Considering that a large % of boats around the Baltic are with this registration and carry the Swedish Flag - as I do as well ... it is highly unlikely such technicality would ever be an issue.

I will go even further ... Latvia is pushing hard to get us to swap to Latvian Register from Swedish / Polish etc.
Basically it is because there are trip boats operating out of harbours - taking public for day trips etc. but under Swedish / Norwegian registry etc. - making it near impossible for latvian Authorities to control safety etc.
Would it be reasonable to expect that if the right to Swedish Flag was not there - the Latvians would use that fact to strengthen their case. But they don't.
That's interesting and I admit having no knowledge of where boats tend to be registered in the Baltic states or which flags are flown there.
My point was that I find it somewhat misleading when you in this and in previous threads refer to the boat register of the Swedish Cruising Association (SXK) as 'Swedish Register*.
As explained in the link I provided, it is a register of a boating organisation and it should not be presented as equivalent to registers run by state authorities in for instance Poland or the UK.
There is in fact a similar Swedish Register for boats, run by the Swedish Transport Agency, mainly aimed at boats used in commercial operation.
Leisure boats may also be registered there, on the owner's request, but few leisure boats are, due to the considerable cost.
 
OP asked ... it was offered as one possibility ... Baltic or not makes no odds unless intended to stay in a right ar**** jurisdiction.

As for UK Pt1 .... first of all Survey go with application ... then provision of 64ths ... 'simplest' ??

I agree Pt1 would be top of the list .... but not for simplicity or costs ................
If the OP wants a registration to suit his declared purpose based on what he says about his personal situation and the proposed boat UK Part 1 is the most appropriate and it costs. It is nowhere as difficult as you suggest IF the boat has a sound provenance. There will almost certainly be an registry approved surveyor in Norway although he could get provisional registration pending survey and then get it done when he stops in the UK on his way to Turkey.
 
That's interesting and I admit having no knowledge of where boats tend to be registered in the Baltic states or which flags are flown there.
My point was that I find it somewhat misleading when you in this and in previous threads refer to the boat register of the Swedish Cruising Association (SXK) as 'Swedish Register*.
As explained in the link I provided, it is a register of a boating organisation and it should not be presented as equivalent to registers run by state authorities in for instance Poland or the UK.
There is in fact a similar Swedish Register for boats, run by the Swedish Transport Agency, mainly aimed at boats used in commercial operation.
Leisure boats may also be registered there, on the owner's request, but few leisure boats are, due to the considerable cost.

I would assume that in such as this thread a certain amount of acceptance is granted when reading a post ...

Yes you are correct that SXK creates a 'Register' and is not Official Swedish Govt based Register. But I have no evidence at all of anyone ever faulting it. SXK themselves do state clearly that they no longer 'register' for Caribbean .... so they must watch the market ..
 
I would assume that in such as this thread a certain amount of acceptance is granted when reading a post ...

Yes you are correct that SXK creates a 'Register' and is not Official Swedish Govt based Register. But I have no evidence at all of anyone ever faulting it. SXK themselves do state clearly that they no longer 'register' for Caribbean .... so they must watch the market ..
I am no expert on the SXK registration, but suspect that it is highly likely that “nobody ever faulting it” applies in its close neighbouring Baltic waters. But this may not be the case in places much further away like Turkey (or indeed Greece), where they also tend to have more port police etc who sometimes take an (excessive) interest in paperwork. A boat owned by a UK Limited company might immediately attract attention, and then a Swedish club registration will just add to this - especially if, as suggested, it doesn’t formally entitle a foreign owned vessel to fly a Swedish ensign.
Over complex and unusual paperwork situations are likely to just make life unnecessarily difficult.

It is not clear what the OP’s nationality and residence is (which could be factors in some aspects). But for a UK resident popping on SSR would be the obvious route, for non resident UK citizen pay up for Part 1 as Tranona says.
 
I am no expert on the SXK registration, but suspect that it is highly likely that “nobody ever faulting it” applies in its close neighbouring Baltic waters. But this may not be the case in places much further away like Turkey (or indeed Greece), where they also tend to have more port police etc who sometimes take an (excessive) interest in paperwork. A boat owned by a UK Limited company might immediately attract attention, and then a Swedish club registration will just add to this - especially if, as suggested, it doesn’t formally entitle a foreign owned vessel to fly a Swedish ensign.
Over complex and unusual paperwork situations are likely to just make life unnecessarily difficult.

It is not clear what the OP’s nationality and residence is (which could be factors in some aspects). But for a UK resident popping on SSR would be the obvious route, for non resident UK citizen pay up for Part 1 as Tranona says.

I don't argue any of that.

I just don't like the way argument against was presented. But TBH - not unusual.
 
I don't argue any of that.

I just don't like the way argument against was presented. But TBH - not unusual.
If you read the other posts from this OP the subject has been raised before. The "argument" is based on what he has revealed about his intentions. That is the problem that arises when the same subject and set of circumstances is spread over more than one thread. If you read all the threads you will see that he has been given sound explanations of the issues he faces and ways in which he might be able to deal with them. Swedish Club registration does not meet his requirements, however useful it might be for others.
 
Apart from the cost of the tonnage survey, Part 1 in the U.K. is not that expensive IMO - and although it seems complicated, it isn't really and they are very helpful.

Documents required for pleasure vessel (Part 1) registration​

  • Application to Register MSF 4740 (A)
  • Declaration of Eligibility MSF 4727
  • Five years title history in the form of Bills of Sale to the new owner MSF 4705
  • Builders Certificate (for vessels built within the last five years) MSF 4743
  • Copy of Certificate of Incorporation (if the owner is a body corporate)
  • UK Certificate of Survey for Tonnage and Measurement issued within the last 12 months by a UK Certifying Authority
  • International Tonnage Certificate (ITC69) (for vessels more than 24m)
  • Deletion certificate/transcript from the current register or a written undertaking to provide
    one within six weeks
  • Copy of the Ships Radio licence with call sign, applications can be made with Ofcom
  • Online payment of £153 registration fee via GOV.UK secure payment link (for five year period)
Once the documentation has been received, a Carving and Marking Note will be issued. This will need to be witnessed by the vessel owner or inspector if less than 24 metres, or by a UK Certifying Authority if over 24 metres. Once completed, it will need to be returned via email. Then we can issue the Certificate of Registry.

Please note that any documents used to support your application for Pleasure Vessel (Part 1) Registration, if not in English, must be accompanied by a notarised translation.

If resident in the U.K. then SSR is even simpler and cheaper - a no-brainer IMO. There are loads of SSR registered boats in the med.
 
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