cheap copper powder, and another experiment

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Right, so we've establishd that for super-protection against barnacles in areas of heavy barnacle-fouling-on-the -hull you need some axshul copper powder. You mix this i kilo of copper powder to 1 litre of Trilux, and all very fine, pretty much no barnacles and have had boat in for 2 seasons in french med antibes, right next to HMS Barnacle Farm which has still not moved or even turned engines on for 6 years and counting and where our boat used to get covered in barnacles inside 4-6 weeks in summer, but no longer.

Firstly, I have found a new source of copper powder at Trylon selling 250micron copper at about 11quid a kilo, ie 56 quid for a 5 kilo tub. Which is dead cheap, the reason beingt that it is not chemicaly pure copper, just 99. something percent which is fine.

The second issue, relates to some people using copper as above, bosh the boat in the water and not getting super-protection. Harumph. And ok, one or two barnacls on our boat also turned up next to bronze fittings even though painted with copper-infused paint. Why is this? Well, it's cos the oxides of copper are the thing that repels the barnacles, not the copper. And the copper needs to oxidize and go greeenish first before chucking boat back in the sea.

Soo, I got a plate sprinkled some of aforementiond copper from Trylonready to plonk outside and oxidise. BUT first i reckoned i wd need some mild acid to promote the oxidation, and then compare oxidation au nature with oxidation promoted by some interesting acidish chemicals. Swmbo reckond vinegar, hm, but i wanted lemon juice. She said lemon juice wd be more difficult as she only had one lemon which she was saving. Look, give me some flippin lemon juice this is highly important boat-related experiment and i only need a few drops. Very reluctuantly she cut into the lemon and i squeezed on a few drops.

Result: After under a day outside in cruddy weather, the ornery copper powder is still copper coloured. The stupid balsamic vinegary bit is still grungy dark vinegar colour. BUTthe bits where the lemon juice went are satisfying greenish. Hurrah! I would have a pic except the battery has gone on the digi camera,but anyway, take it from me that some bits of the plate/dish are normal reddish browny copper colour whereas the lemon-juice-applied area is distinctly bluish greenish.

Thus once you have applied the trilux-copper mix i reckon the thing to do is spray it with mild acid to promote oxidation of the copper before sticking boat in the water. I will be using dilute HCl i think, as it is a bit easier to get hold of than lemon juice esp after all the grief from swmbo about using even just a bit of one poxy lemon. And just now she's gone and washed up the flippin plate which i left near the sink so I can't get picture anyway dammit.
 
Acid alternative

A mate of mine used to make copper furniture in an artistic fashion, to get a good vertigre colour he would take the copper plate hed had fahsioned and pee on it and the wrap in cling fim. It used to get very good varying results.

So all you need to do is pee into the bucket of copper powder and swossh it around a bit. Could lead to some interesting conversations in the boat yard...
 
Hows about spraying it with citric acid? Easier than squeezing lots of lemons. Hopefully will have the same effect.

And where are Trylon? Have googled and only found model making site, telecoms and a hotel!!
 
The most available source for HCL in a dilute formulation is from a builders yard. It can be bought as, "Brick Wash". Bricklayers use it to clean off snots as it dissolves cement, also sold as patio wash but as so many of these don't contain HCL you have to check contents.

If the acid is present it will be clearly marked, so shouldn't be too difficult to find. Typical cost about £10-12 a gallon.

Would cost less than lemons and less embarrassing than peeing on your boat! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
even better source is in france if you go with car, Castorama sell all sorts of delightful acid including HCl and even H2SO4 for a few euros for five litres.

Yep the "bio" brick wash is useless. As are most chemicals that don't have (in UK) heinous warnings of imminent death, and which in france will be on a lower shelf to make it easy for small kids to learn how not to lick stuff in shops...
 
True, the "Bio" bit says it all!

The reason I mentioned it was because HCL is quite difficult to buy off the shelf in the nanny state UK as most peeps here abouts don't frequent France as much as some others. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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And where are Trylon? Have googled and only found model making site, telecoms and a hotel!!

[/ QUOTE ]Here? and do a search on copper - The price will go up when we all start buying it to make a half decent antifoul. I still think TBT is better then Cu /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Yep the "bio" brick wash is useless. As are most chemicals that don't have (in UK) heinous warnings of imminent death, and which in france will be on a lower shelf to make it easy for small kids to learn how not to lick stuff in shops...


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With apologies for the fred drift, but as to UK labelling: I boshed some danish oil on some oak window frames at home this weekend. Pausing to admire my efforts, I read the label on the tin which had the intriguing suggestion that a cloth soaked in said danish oil mite self combust. Oh ho, I thought, better be careful here! Anyway I waited for five minutes or so behind a hastily erected lead lined fire break and....nothing happened. So I got a lighter and set fire to the cloth. Am I writing from hospital? No, it burned quite well but nothing special in the incendiary stakes.

PS In french shops I think the nasty chemicals are, as you say, on the bottom shelf next to the flick knives.
 
excellent bit of research there benjenbav. On related branches of idiot-assisted expertmentation i can confirm that firepoof carpet doesn't encourage buring after i started a fire on the stuff, and that a cardboard box of 20 used aerosal paint cans if placed on a small garden fire will cause the entire box to leap 10-15 yards.
 
Did an excellent bit of research once when I was in Tn Territorial Army.
Put a thunderflash (a sort of large banger that the army uses to simulate a grenade) into a 4inch piece of steam pipe with the end blocked off.
Followed that with a baked bean can and stood back.
The can went one and a half miles - we know this cos the next experiment was to stick another thunderflash into a similar can (this time of strawberry jam). This caused an air burst and once perfected, we were able to measure the distance by finding an area covered in strawberry jam.

Without experiments like this you would never know how things work IMHO.
 
Hm,i'm not sure i can concur with your results. Or maybe i don't undersand them. Didn't you find the bakd beans? A can of beans whamming through the air will surely travel further than a busted jar of strawberry jam? Or was the area of jam one and a half mils away?
 
Excellent. You can start fires in the pouring rain if each twig is first dipped in paraffin.

Also, if you rent a skip, you can save renting a second skip by ignoring the instructions on the sde of the skip and burning the initial contents. On a building site, pour in quite lot of diesel and attempt to start the fire. After few failed attempts, fill the skip to a depth of a six inches of diesel, and use a big burning rag (see benjenbav for details) to get hings going and stand back as the fire roars. The skip gets so hot that it goes all bent and the skip man can't get it back on their lorry, but you only lose the deposit.
 
Well a great party trick (sorry, experiment) is to pour a gallon or so of petrol onto a sandy beach. Set light to it and it burns nice and slowly and you can sit round and sing ging gang gooly gooly, but then if you kick deep into the sand in a sort of scooping motion you will unleash a huge fireball all around yourself like Alladdin appearing, and yet you will only suffer the most superficial of burns.
 
You lot remind me of school days with this stuff, like the evening when some git put a tin of baked beans on to a lit gas ring, and did a runner. The whole study block shook like you wouldn't believe when it "went", and decorated a kitchen which was about 12' x 12' from floor to ceiling in beans & sauce.

And then us cooking a sausage with a fork stuck in each end, with crocodile clips connecting them to the 240 volt mains.

Ah yes, and there were the times we used to fill empty camping gaz tins with sodium chlorate / sugar mix, and set 'em off on the beach at Wittering. The explosions could be heard on the east side of Bracklesham. Always good for a laugh except on the occasion when the police arrived, and the time my pal nearly killed himself, but even that was funny at the time. Still is now come to think of it.

And then the time with a sealed container with calcium chlorate & water in it, and the piece of fuse wire connected to a battery to ignite the gas being produced........ahem......, probably wasn't a good idea that one, but hey ho, agree you've got to do these things to find out how they work!
 
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