Cheap Chinese Diesel Heaters the Return !

[snowbird30ds]

How well does the pump speed control option on these things work for holding a temperature? The bit that annoys me about my eber is the 4-5 degree variation that is enough to feel chilly to over hot when set at a temperature.
I wonder if anyone has ever built their own controller for one to get around this.
Back on the CE thing, it won't be that long till it's irrelevant as the UKCA mark will be needed to sell, I think it's been put back to next January now though.

 

[Bigplumbs]

I imported a boat from the US and had to get the CE mark for it. And a friend of mine works in the cosmetics industry and certifies the CE marks on nail varnish and lipsticks and the like. It is an exercise in bureaucracy - they are desktop exercises - and to me adds no value in the context of a heater.

If it adds value to others then they are free to pay ten times the price for a very similar product with the sticker on the side

The fact that some people get so cross that they resort to schoolboy name calling when others choose to buy a product without a sticker says a lot about them.

It does indeed. I bet you some of the nay sayers have already ordered one and will keep stum about how they get on

Going to complete the install of my 4th one today covered in my other Fred link below

Chinese Diesel Heater - Separates Installing

 

[madabouttheboat]

How well does the pump speed control option on these things work for holding a temperature? The bit that annoys me about my eber is the 4-5 degree variation that is enough to feel chilly to over hot when set at a temperature.
I wonder if anyone has ever built their own controller for one to get around this.
Back on the CE thing, it won't be that long till it's irrelevant as the UKCA mark will be needed to sell, I think it's been put back to next January now though.

Unlike an eberwasto, a chinasccher does not shut off when the set temp is reached. Instead it goes into low power mode, but continues to give out heat. This does often mean that temps keep rising and I have resorted to tuning it off quite a few times as it gets to warm.. I think an eberwasto is better in this regard, but not perfect for the reasons you point out.

 

[Major_Clanger]

So here is a video of my heaters first start up and run from new. I am testing this outside but when used indoors it is vital to make sure about the following amongst other things:

1) The Exhaust outlet is not leaking
2) The Exhaust gets very hot so make sure it is not touching something that it ought not.
3) Make sure the Air to be heated is drawn from a place away form the Exhaust outlet final position
4) Fit a Carbon Monoxide detector in the space it is being used in
5) Only buy and operate one of these if you feel confident in how to set it up and understand about Carbon Monoxide and its dangers.

These can be very good but they need a little work and are not what you might call 'Plug and Play'

That's a really helpful video. I've been considering exactly this model and have just bought one on the strength of your filmwork!

I want to make it a proper install on the boat so am planning to fit it in the lazarette and plumb the exhaust through a stainless skin-fitting in the transom. Then lag everything and duct it through to the main cabin. Roughly how heavy is the unit?

 

[Elessar]

Unlike an eberwasto, a chinasccher does not shut off when the set temp is reached. Instead it goes into low power mode, but continues to give out heat. This does often mean that temps keep rising and I have resorted to tuning it off quite a few times as it gets to warm.. I think an eberwasto is better in this regard, but not perfect for the reasons you point out.

A big weakness of the Chinese heater is the useless instructions. Google the advanced set ups. You can reduce the minimum fuel flow.

 

[Bigplumbs]

That's a really helpful video. I've been considering exactly this model and have just bought one on the strength of your filmwork!

I want to make it a proper install on the boat so am planning to fit it in the lazarette and plumb the exhaust through a stainless skin-fitting in the transom. Then lag everything and duct it through to the main cabin. Roughly how heavy is the unit?

Major clanger

Not wishing to confuse but this video I made of the Heater via separates is good for a boat but you could certainly uses the red in the box one if you have space.

Thread here link below

Chinese Diesel Heater - Separates Installing

 

[Major_Clanger]

Major clanger

Not wishing to confuse but this video I made of the Heater via separates is good for a boat but you could certainly uses the red in the box one if you have space.

Thread here link below

Chinese Diesel Heater - Separates Installing

All in one better for me (and already purchased) as it's more compact and there's only one item to mount. My boat is small below so it won't take long to heat the space. Anyway, how much do you think it weighs? Just thinking about weight distribution....

 

[Bigplumbs]

All in one better for me (and already purchased) as it's more compact and there's only one item to mount. My boat is small below so it won't take long to heat the space. Anyway, how much do you think it weighs? Just thinking about weight distribution....

For the all in one (Red box one) with a full tank (4ltrs) of fuel I recon the total weight I would estimate is about 8 KG....

 

[Bigplumbs]

Here is a link to the hull fitting I used on my boat for the exhaust

skin fitting exhaust 24mm for Chinese diesel heaters stainless polished planar | eBay

 

[Bigplumbs]

This was like the exhaust I used..... check outlet diameters ....... If inside it is vital this does not leak and you use fire cement and good Jubilee clips

24mm Exhaust Silencer Muffler Fits Chinese planar Car diesel Air Heater UK | eBay

 

[Major_Clanger]

Thanks for that BP, very helpful. Did you use that silencer with the original flexi exhaust pipe, or replace the whole thing?

 

[Bigplumbs]

Thanks for that BP, very helpful. Did you use that silencer with the original flexi exhaust pipe, or replace the whole thing?

I used the original flex pipe but you need the flattened ends to clamp to the hull fitting and exhaust if you cut it you cant get the concertinaed bit over the fitting ends

 

[lynallbel]

Here is a link to the hull fitting I used on my boat for the exhaust

skin fitting exhaust 24mm for Chinese diesel heaters stainless polished planar | eBay

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Guy on ebay does them, all different angles and pipe sizes, plus made in the UK to.
I bought from him, as when I asked a question on size he replied pretty fast, a reply is rare and a fast reply super rare.

Edit just clicked the link and that is the guy!

 

[lynallbel]

For all of you after more control, have a search for Afterburner on Facebook, might be elsewhere as well.

 

[ChathamSailor]

I had a Webasto salvaged off a narrowboat , had the ECU repaired and retrofitted onto my sail boat. It’s got it’s own dedicated 10 litre tank as well which at the moment contains Paraffin on the advice of the ( expert) fitter. Since then another expert said the burners would coke up less quickly on diesel ( which is also significantly cheaper than Paraffin anyway). I now want to fill the tank with diesel. Do I need to drain the tiny bit of remnant paraffin out or can I just fill up the dedicated tank with diesel?

 

[penfold]

Just add the diesel; it will burn a mix just as well as one or the other.

 

[Rappey]

Since then another expert said the burners would coke up less quickly on diesel

He has that the wrong way around. Burning diesel is more sooty. Burning kerosene/paraffin is much cleaner.
I ran a force 10 heater on kerosene for over 25 years and never even had to use the nozzle clearing pin. It would be a regular thing with diesel
It's also been shown that running kerosene in a chinese heater has a great de coking effect if previously run on diesel.
As heating oil kerosene is no more expensive than diesel

 

[Plum]

I had a Webasto salvaged off a narrowboat , had the ECU repaired and retrofitted onto my sail boat. It’s got it’s own dedicated 10 litre tank as well which at the moment contains Paraffin on the advice of the ( expert) fitter. Since then another expert said the burners would coke up less quickly on diesel ( which is also significantly cheaper than Paraffin anyway). I now want to fill the tank with diesel. Do I need to drain the tiny bit of remnant paraffin out or can I just fill up the dedicated tank with diesel?

A bit like asking "experts", you won't always get the correct answer. In my 8 years of eberspacher ownership I hear lots of opinions but see no real evidence on whether diesel is better or worse than paraffin. If in doubt, run until the paraffin is used up then fill with diesel. I have yet to service, decoke or have a single problem with mine and run it on red diesel and 90% of the time on its lowest heat setting.

Www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk

 

[limecc]

Greenhouse paraffin heaters don't work with diesel as the wick soots up whereas kerosene works reliably because it's cleaner burning. Your expert fitter has it correct.

 

[Rappey]

I have yet to service, decoke or have a single problem with mine

Likewise.. There seems to be more talk about heaters sooting up than people with that problem.