Graham_Wright
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For a one off trip, the cost of charts (both paper and electronic) can be daunting.
Anyone know of chart hire services?
Anyone know of chart hire services?
Chart hire
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[70521]
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I understand that if the vessel is coded in the UK it must have current charts for the cruising area. Where are you planning to sail? I would expect any charter company to provide charts.
Graham_Wright
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It is not coded.
I have to execute a long passage for Yacht master Ocean and it will probably be a one off trip. The choice seems to be across Biscay (far enough to qualify for the 600 miles) or The Azores. The latter looks simpler from the point of navigation ad far less traffic.
~£250 for the Navionics chart shocked me.
Longer term, I have some Med charts but the real point is - one off.
I have to execute a long passage for Yacht master Ocean and it will probably be a one off trip. The choice seems to be across Biscay (far enough to qualify for the 600 miles) or The Azores. The latter looks simpler from the point of navigation ad far less traffic.
~£250 for the Navionics chart shocked me.
Longer term, I have some Med charts but the real point is - one off.
syvictoria
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Assuming that a paper chart is up to date and in good condition, it should have a reasonable secondhand resale value. This can make the overall cost of a ownership much less if buying new.
Graham_Wright
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Quite so that is what I seek. I.e. someone else who has bought new and is now offering it on.
I am sure I have seen (in the good old days at Beaulieu Boat Jumble) several stands selling second hand charts.
Where are they now?!
Never Grumble
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try
chartsales.co.uk
chartsales.co.uk
syvictoria
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But that was my point. If you buy new and then sell on, your costs are reduced to similar or even less than buying secondhand and retaining. And you get to use new charts to boot!
Perhaps try a post on the wanted forum on here?
Graham_Wright
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Why didn't I think of that?!
I did try "for sale" but had no results.
dunedin
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How many charts for you need for a 600 mile offshore trip? Massively less than for a 600 mile coastal cruise I would have thought?
(From Canaries to St Lucia there was over 2,000 miles with no obstructions - and less rocks on the whole trip than 5 miles of typical Scottish or Norway coast
)
A second hand small scale passage chart would be useful to plot progress, but does not need to be up to date. I would want detailed knowledge of departure, arrival and diversion harbours, but this can come in different forms.
And if not going that way again, buying Navionics for a tablet plus phone could be massively cheaper than buying a plotter card. Just make sure you have multiple devices and a battery backup device.
Cruising Association members often advertise their charts and pilot books after completing trips.
(From Canaries to St Lucia there was over 2,000 miles with no obstructions - and less rocks on the whole trip than 5 miles of typical Scottish or Norway coast
)A second hand small scale passage chart would be useful to plot progress, but does not need to be up to date. I would want detailed knowledge of departure, arrival and diversion harbours, but this can come in different forms.
And if not going that way again, buying Navionics for a tablet plus phone could be massively cheaper than buying a plotter card. Just make sure you have multiple devices and a battery backup device.
Cruising Association members often advertise their charts and pilot books after completing trips.
AngusMcDoon
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AntarcticPilot
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One issue is that a chart that has been used for more than planning or pilotage will have had pencil marks made on it. Even if they're rubbed out, the chart will still bear the marks of having been used. A chart that is being used for navigation must surely be regarded as consumable.
requiem
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O-charts would be most cost-effective (British Isles and France Atlantic 2022 for 29€, + Portugal 2022 for 19€).
If buying individual ENCs, the 3-month option from Chartworld is not too bad (i.e. 8-9€ instead of 25-30€). If you only needed very small-scale charts that can be cheaper overall, but it rapidly outpaces the O-charts offerings once you start adding in harbour charts.
If buying individual ENCs, the 3-month option from Chartworld is not too bad (i.e. 8-9€ instead of 25-30€). If you only needed very small-scale charts that can be cheaper overall, but it rapidly outpaces the O-charts offerings once you start adding in harbour charts.
Aeolus
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Visit my Harbour offer a full set of electronic charts incl the Azores for under £50. You could get a paper chart for the Azores proper but rely on the electronic ones in case you have to divert to alternative destinations.
awol
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There is a lot to be said for the support that comes with club and association membership. I borrowed charts of the Spanish and Portuguese coasts from a sailor who had made his way south down those coasts to the Med. Boy, was it depressing. As we we headed north against the current and wind his passage marks taunted us unmecifully. He had been knocking of 6 and 7Nm per logging marks while we were crawling north at ~3kts.
KompetentKrew
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I really like the VMH charts - they're raster, so look just like a paper chart, which I prefer to vector charts (which I think O-charts are?).
You can also get them on a USB stick, so there are no licensing issues when moving from one PC to another.
However, I'm not sure I would advocate OpenCPN charts alone for a passage like this - what if the laptop breaks, or you have problems charging the battery?
I have Navionics charts on my plotter, VisitMyHarbour and OpenCPN on a Windows tablet, and a reasonable selection of paper charts that came with the boat.
[70521]
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I am planning a trip to the Azores in 2023 and am planning to use this one. Comes with a free digital chart that can be downloaded to a Tablet.
NV Atlas Atlantic ATL 3 Charts - Atlantic Islands (Madeira - Canary Islands - Azores - Cape Verde)
I now us NV charts when I can as I really like the format.
AngusMcDoon
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You get permission to install twice with each license. You could put them on a laptop/tablet and a phone. A few wide area paper charts and some pilot books would get you somewhere safely if everything else failed. Complete electrical failure would affect any device using electronic charts of course, not just an OpenCPN device. The OP wants to save money; some compromises will have to be made to achieve that.
jwilson
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When I did a YM Ocean qualifying passage 40+ years ago I had to submit chart showing astro fix plotting as well as paper workings and logbook copy. Maybe it has changed?
Graham_Wright
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There are occasions when you need to make marks on a chart for formal reference but, if not, I use a rigid transparent thin plastic sheet and a chinagraph pencil.
Graham_Wright
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Good steer - thanks.
