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Why are there less cats than monohulls here....is it the weather? lots of space but fewer in the UK to more tropical climates.
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Talbot
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Why are there not more cats - Cause brittish sailers are a very conservative lot and most have only just got over their love affair with a heavy longkeel traditional gaff rigged boat (some are still addicted to this form of punishment and also keep a wooden hull that normally requires 3 hours maintenance to every 1 hour sailing.
But draw heart, there is a new generation of sailors who have started their addiction in the west indies, or some other charter spot, and normally in a cat. Once SWMBO has spent some weeks in a cat, you will have great difficulty persuading her to go down into a wet dark smelly cave that is always at an impossible angle. Thus the next generation will insist on proper double hulled creations with adequate space for everything, hot and cold water, showers, fridges, heaters and space for the kids to get away from the adults.
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But draw heart, there is a new generation of sailors who have started their addiction in the west indies, or some other charter spot, and normally in a cat. Once SWMBO has spent some weeks in a cat, you will have great difficulty persuading her to go down into a wet dark smelly cave that is always at an impossible angle. Thus the next generation will insist on proper double hulled creations with adequate space for everything, hot and cold water, showers, fridges, heaters and space for the kids to get away from the adults.
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bigwow
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What we lack in quantity we make up for in quality!!!
fluffc
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Why are there not more cats - Cause brittish sailers are a very conservative lot and most have only just got over their love affair with a heavy longkeel traditional gaff rigged boat (some are still addicted to this form of punishment and also keep a wooden hull that normally requires 3 hours maintenance to every 1 hour sailing.
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Or, rather, have seen the light and gotten themselves a ferro-cement longkeel traditional gaff rigged boat (which requires 1 hour maintenance to every 3 hours sailing)
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Why are there not more cats - Cause brittish sailers are a very conservative lot and most have only just got over their love affair with a heavy longkeel traditional gaff rigged boat (some are still addicted to this form of punishment and also keep a wooden hull that normally requires 3 hours maintenance to every 1 hour sailing.
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Or, rather, have seen the light and gotten themselves a ferro-cement longkeel traditional gaff rigged boat (which requires 1 hour maintenance to every 3 hours sailing)
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boatmike
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That's because all the sensible cat owners have bogged off to nice places in the sun already. Cos they can!
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catalac08
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apart from more space, bit more speed, not rolling around I find a cat much less tiring to sail/ and not getting quesy in rough weather. The physical demands are so much less I think there is a big safeyy plus which people generally do not appreciate compared to conventional hulls. Could never go back to a monohull and I do not think many multihull owners do revert which, speaks volumes.
Helina
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What do you think about the costs and the price ? Maybe there are not so many people who want to use that much money for a hobby ( lifestyle) when you can get on the water in a monohull with much less money ?
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Superstrath
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Lack of cats
This has been discussed often. It's beacuse when overpressed, or a slightly out-of-the-ordinary wave comes along, they flip over. Once over, they stay that way.
I hate it when that happens to mine. The G&T gets spilled, the Monopoly board goes all over the place, and it really gets on Mrs. S's tits. "That was your fault, again, wasn't it? I wish you wouldn't insist on seeing double-figure speeds during meal-times. It's all very well staying dry and comfortable in the worst of weather, but a bit silly if you're going to pitch-pole us into next week."
I've had enough of being upside-down. Anyone want a swap - Snowgoose for, say, a Centaur?
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This has been discussed often. It's beacuse when overpressed, or a slightly out-of-the-ordinary wave comes along, they flip over. Once over, they stay that way.
I hate it when that happens to mine. The G&T gets spilled, the Monopoly board goes all over the place, and it really gets on Mrs. S's tits. "That was your fault, again, wasn't it? I wish you wouldn't insist on seeing double-figure speeds during meal-times. It's all very well staying dry and comfortable in the worst of weather, but a bit silly if you're going to pitch-pole us into next week."
I've had enough of being upside-down. Anyone want a swap - Snowgoose for, say, a Centaur?
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Helina
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Re: Lack of cats
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It's beacuse when overpressed, or a slightly out-of-the-ordinary wave comes along, they flip over. Once over, they stay that way.
I hate it when that happens to mine.
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Please tell the whole story.
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It's beacuse when overpressed, or a slightly out-of-the-ordinary wave comes along, they flip over. Once over, they stay that way.
I hate it when that happens to mine.
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Please tell the whole story.
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boatmike
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Re: Lack of cats
You are just not used to it that's all. You can practice by sleeping upside down under the bed with a wet towel over your head and standing on your head in the shower. It's also an excellent idea to mount a life raft under one of the hulls to climb into for the next time it happens. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
You are just not used to it that's all. You can practice by sleeping upside down under the bed with a wet towel over your head and standing on your head in the shower. It's also an excellent idea to mount a life raft under one of the hulls to climb into for the next time it happens. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Superstrath
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Re: Lack of cats
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It's also an excellent idea to mount a life raft under one of the hulls to climb into for the next time it happens. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Not at all, I just send the kids up with brushes to scrub the fouling off, until the next unusual wave flips us back again.
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It's also an excellent idea to mount a life raft under one of the hulls to climb into for the next time it happens. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Not at all, I just send the kids up with brushes to scrub the fouling off, until the next unusual wave flips us back again.
srm
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Re: Lack of cats
Hi,
Did you actually invert the Snowgoose? A few more details would be most interesting.
Hi,
Did you actually invert the Snowgoose? A few more details would be most interesting.
bigwow
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Re: Lack of cats
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Hi,
Did you actually invert the Snowgoose? A few more details would be most interesting.
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I doubt it, I didn't think a Snowgoose carried enough sail to do that in any amount of wind. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Hi,
Did you actually invert the Snowgoose? A few more details would be most interesting.
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I doubt it, I didn't think a Snowgoose carried enough sail to do that in any amount of wind. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Superstrath
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Re: Lack of cats
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Hi,
Did you actually invert the Snowgoose? A few more details would be most interesting.
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I doubt it, I didn't think a Snowgoose carried enough sail to do that in any amount of wind. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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It carries enough drink to send it to the bottom, on occasions. You'ra a very literal lot sometimes, aren't you? I was trying to get in quick before the cat-bashers got started.
Alistair
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Hi,
Did you actually invert the Snowgoose? A few more details would be most interesting.
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I doubt it, I didn't think a Snowgoose carried enough sail to do that in any amount of wind. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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It carries enough drink to send it to the bottom, on occasions. You'ra a very literal lot sometimes, aren't you? I was trying to get in quick before the cat-bashers got started.
Alistair
Rivers & creeks
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Re: Lack of cats
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You'ra a very literal lot sometimes, aren't you? I was trying to get in quick before the cat-bashers got started.
[/ QUOTE ] I'm still getting over the fact that people took you seriously.
Now if it was a Catalac you were sailing, we all would have believed you /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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You'ra a very literal lot sometimes, aren't you? I was trying to get in quick before the cat-bashers got started.
[/ QUOTE ] I'm still getting over the fact that people took you seriously.
Now if it was a Catalac you were sailing, we all would have believed you /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
boatmike
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Re: Lack of cats
You mean he was only joking? Surely Prout owners are all very serious old curmugionly bar stewards with no sense of humour aren't they? How could you suggest such a thing? I regularly turn mine over in the Solent to antifoul under the keels. Easy... Just hang a paper hankie up from the shrouds and turn beam to the wind in a F4 and shout Bum-Ho, over she goes!
You mean he was only joking? Surely Prout owners are all very serious old curmugionly bar stewards with no sense of humour aren't they? How could you suggest such a thing? I regularly turn mine over in the Solent to antifoul under the keels. Easy... Just hang a paper hankie up from the shrouds and turn beam to the wind in a F4 and shout Bum-Ho, over she goes!
boatmike
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Re: Lack of cats
Count to ten and wait for Talbot!
Count to ten and wait for Talbot!
LymingtonPugwash
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Re: Lack of cats
Hate to be the one to have to tell the story, but I remember doing a round the island race in the very early 1980's... can't remember the exact year.... was racing on Barry Dutton's, 'Ayala', if my memory serves me, and we were beating up from the Needles towards St Catherine's point and it was blowing a hoolie.... we were all sat on the side, had 3 reefs in the main and a storm jib up and we were still on our ear, when we saw this very large Snowgoose cat flying up behind us with masses of sail up. She went past us as though we were standing still and we all looked at her and no sooner had I said, "look at that idiot with all that sail up, something's got to give", expecting to see the mast come crashing down, when just ahead of us, in an instant she flipped on her side, then continued and went turtle. All happened very fast is was difficult to take in what had happened with an upside down 35' to 40' foot Snowgoose (can't remember the exact size) upside down right there and crew in the water etc. We hove to and let off a flare as we didn't have a radio and tried to get alongside, but it was far too rough.... I remember seeing the tri 'three legs of mann' coming in response to our flare and managing to get alongside and pick up at least one crew member, then the Royal Naval guardship which was keeping an eye on Ted Heath and Morning Cloud, came crashing through the waves in spectacular manner having seen our flare, so as we couldn't do anything else and there were enough more capable rescue craft by then, we continued with the race...... up until then, I remember that Snowgoose were running an ad campaign which stated, "we have never had a hull out of the water", or words to that effect! Needless to say, that ad campaign came to a sudden halt! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Glad to say that all the crew was finally rescued but the Snowgoose sank under tow from the lifeboat I think.
So.... my problem with cruising cats is that most of them are designed to keep SWMBO happy in a stable environment, so they are designed to be able to boast, "we have never had a hull out of the water".... but unfortunately, that can inspire a misplaced confidence in those sailing her, particularly the less experienced, who get no sensation of too much canvas up, unlike a monohull which will lean over. Then the cat reaches a point where physics take over and either the mast will suddenly give or the boat flips.... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
So... much as I love the luxury of space in a cat, I prefer sailing in a monohull.... /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Perhaps somebody could come up with a monohull which is almost as wide as long to satisfy me? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Hate to be the one to have to tell the story, but I remember doing a round the island race in the very early 1980's... can't remember the exact year.... was racing on Barry Dutton's, 'Ayala', if my memory serves me, and we were beating up from the Needles towards St Catherine's point and it was blowing a hoolie.... we were all sat on the side, had 3 reefs in the main and a storm jib up and we were still on our ear, when we saw this very large Snowgoose cat flying up behind us with masses of sail up. She went past us as though we were standing still and we all looked at her and no sooner had I said, "look at that idiot with all that sail up, something's got to give", expecting to see the mast come crashing down, when just ahead of us, in an instant she flipped on her side, then continued and went turtle. All happened very fast is was difficult to take in what had happened with an upside down 35' to 40' foot Snowgoose (can't remember the exact size) upside down right there and crew in the water etc. We hove to and let off a flare as we didn't have a radio and tried to get alongside, but it was far too rough.... I remember seeing the tri 'three legs of mann' coming in response to our flare and managing to get alongside and pick up at least one crew member, then the Royal Naval guardship which was keeping an eye on Ted Heath and Morning Cloud, came crashing through the waves in spectacular manner having seen our flare, so as we couldn't do anything else and there were enough more capable rescue craft by then, we continued with the race...... up until then, I remember that Snowgoose were running an ad campaign which stated, "we have never had a hull out of the water", or words to that effect! Needless to say, that ad campaign came to a sudden halt! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Glad to say that all the crew was finally rescued but the Snowgoose sank under tow from the lifeboat I think.
So.... my problem with cruising cats is that most of them are designed to keep SWMBO happy in a stable environment, so they are designed to be able to boast, "we have never had a hull out of the water".... but unfortunately, that can inspire a misplaced confidence in those sailing her, particularly the less experienced, who get no sensation of too much canvas up, unlike a monohull which will lean over. Then the cat reaches a point where physics take over and either the mast will suddenly give or the boat flips.... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
So... much as I love the luxury of space in a cat, I prefer sailing in a monohull.... /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Perhaps somebody could come up with a monohull which is almost as wide as long to satisfy me? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Twister_Ken
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Re: Lack of cats
I trust you asked the committee for redress.
I trust you asked the committee for redress.
Superstrath
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Re: Lack of cats
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but unfortunately, that can inspire a misplaced confidence in those sailing her, particularly the less experienced, who get no sensation of too much canvas up, unlike a monohull which will lean over. Then the cat reaches a point where physics take over and either the mast will suddenly give or the boat flips....
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I'm glad that you have a personal story to bolster your prejudice against cats, and the Snowgoose in particular.
I'm less impressed that you seem to be implying that an inversion is almost inevitable. I have no figures, but would guess that a higher percentage of monohulls come to grief due to incompetence or over-enthusiasm than do cats.
I'm no cat fanatic - I acquired one almost without thinking, and have come to enjoy and trust it, along with my family, while learning to understand it's very different way of communicating with me.
Alistair
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but unfortunately, that can inspire a misplaced confidence in those sailing her, particularly the less experienced, who get no sensation of too much canvas up, unlike a monohull which will lean over. Then the cat reaches a point where physics take over and either the mast will suddenly give or the boat flips....
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I'm glad that you have a personal story to bolster your prejudice against cats, and the Snowgoose in particular.
I'm less impressed that you seem to be implying that an inversion is almost inevitable. I have no figures, but would guess that a higher percentage of monohulls come to grief due to incompetence or over-enthusiasm than do cats.
I'm no cat fanatic - I acquired one almost without thinking, and have come to enjoy and trust it, along with my family, while learning to understand it's very different way of communicating with me.
Alistair
