Carrying your knife to the boat

Momac said:
The police in that case sound like complete idiots.
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Probably the problem was that a member of the public had reported it and they had to follow up.
A few years ago the knife manufacturer Kitchen Devil did a 7" knife which I thought would be ideal if I had to cut rope which was around my Propeller, cant buy them anymore,
Of course the way things are going Garden Centres will have to have a Licence to sell Gardening Knives and we will have to have a licence to buy one.
50 years ago if you applied for a Firearms Certificate if you put Revolver you could only get a Revolver but if you just put Hand Gun you could get a Semi-Automatic.
If you wanted a rifle and you put 308 Rifle you could get a 7.62 FN. as used by the British Army. (I had one)
 
I remember when I was in my school cadet force. We all routinely slung our 303 rifles over our backs and took them home to clean them. There was no limit on how long we kept them at home, just that we had to have them with us next time we were on parade or exercises.
 
It really is just a kind of trowel and if the police had googled it they would have seen that. Some of the photos online make it look flat bladed like a knife. It isn’t it’s curved just like a trowel. It is a mainstream gardening tool. He was cutting his own garden hedge when they arrested him. Goodness knows what they would have done if he had been using a cordless electric hedge cutter with a 50cm blade.
 
Sandydog2 said:
It really is just a kind of trowel and if the police had googled it they would have seen that. Some of the photos online make it look flat bladed like a knife. It isn’t it’s curved just like a trowel. It is a mainstream gardening tool. He was cutting his own garden hedge when they arrested him. Goodness knows what they would have done if he had been using a cordless electric hedge cutter with a 50cm blade.
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I have examined one of them at a plant fair and its about 6mm thick with quite sharp edges that could be made sharper, and at about £50 with the sheath, I doubt they are that mainstream, at least on the streets of Manchester.
Given that another member of the public was frit and called the cops, they at least had to go and talk to the bloke. He should not have copped to the caution though.
 
Rum Run said:
I have examined one of them at a plant fair and its about 6mm thick with quite sharp edges that could be made sharper, and at about £50 with the sheath, I doubt they are that mainstream, at least on the streets of Manchester.
Given that another member of the public was frit and called the cops, they at least had to go and talk to the bloke. He should not have copped to the caution though.
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Yes, perfectly reasonable to talk to him. But they didn’t even understand what an allotment was so I can see it was hard to explain to them. The basket of home grown veg he had with him ought to have helped. I don’t understand why people think it would have been better to have them in a carrier bag. Far less likely to get them nicked from a tool belt.

Yes you could put a sharp edge on it, but you could say the same of any trowel. If you have an allotment and no car you could be legitimately carrying much more dangerous tools than those ones.
 
Sandydog2 said:
Yes, perfectly reasonable to talk to him. But they didn’t even understand what an allotment was so I can see it was hard to explain to them.
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That does seem strange doesn’t it? Whilst it’s not impossible that they were genuinely unaware what an allotment was I think it’s also perfectly possible that their questioning was to establish if HE actually knew enough to make his story credible - he doesn’t fit the typical stereotype of an allotment owner.
 
Sandydog2 said:
Yes, perfectly reasonable to talk to him. But they didn’t even understand what an allotment was so I can see it was hard to explain to them. The basket of home grown veg he had with him ought to have helped. I don’t understand why people think it would have been better to have them in a carrier bag. Far less likely to get them nicked from a tool belt.

Yes you could put a sharp edge on it, but you could say the same of any trowel. If you have an allotment and no car you could be legitimately carrying much more dangerous tools than those ones.
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Better in a bag than on the belt of his Walter Mitty brand army trousers, then Karen the complainer would not have wet herself seeing Rambo walking down the street (in her head)
We live in a country where yoof carry knives to kill other yooves and some bampot takes a zombie knife to a dance class, survivors blame the authorities for not doing enough and people complain their kids are being victimised by stop-and-search, most coppers are 12 and have had 2 months online training in the law.
They are much heavier than a trowel, more like a heavy bowl gouge btw, but he should have been more on the ball with the police. I hope he gets the caution removed and his toys back but it's gonna cost now.
 
If you get a rope round a prop your usual deck knife, depends what you use, might be inadequate. We have only had it once and a decent serrated bread knife was the answer. But its difficult to be 'careful' when at sea and working on a rope round a prop and once the rope is free you realise how useful was the bread knife that now needs to be re-sharpened or replaced.

That means carrying a bread knife in terrestrial public places.

The lesson from this thread is - wrap it up so that it is inconspicuous. Remove opportunity for the public to panic. And don't wear green trousers.

Having police, presumably more than one, on the streets of Manchester who are totally aware of the meaning of the word 'allotment' seems bizarre. If sent to, I make it up, say the allotments at John Street where a young lady has injured herself - what do they do?

Jonathan
 
Neeves said:
If you get a rope round a prop your usual deck knife, depends what you use, might be inadequate. We have only had it once and a decent serrated bread knife was the answer. But its difficult to be 'careful' when at sea and working on a rope round a prop and once the rope is free you realise how useful was the bread knife that now needs to be re-sharpened or replaced.

That means carrying a bread knife in terrestrial public places.

The lesson from this thread is - wrap it up so that it is inconspicuous. Remove opportunity for the public to panic. And don't wear green trousers.

Having police, presumably more than one, on the streets of Manchester who are totally aware of the meaning of the word 'allotment' seems bizarre. If sent to, I make it up, say the allotments at John Street where a young lady has injured herself - what do they do?

Jonathan
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Maybe they were checking to see if this urban hipster child actually knew what an allotment was himself or if it was just an excuse for carrying these exotic articles that a mate told him worked.... But police are now often worryingly young and have about a week's training in the law and have been in school studying Interpretative Dance until they are 21, so defining the limits of ignorance any police officer might have is beyond me.
My grandfather was a very prolific vegetable grower and professional gardener, and he used to carry this tools with the business end wrapped in a sack, lashed to his bike. This was from 1930's to 1970's when he bought a motorbike when they were lashed to that. One of the tools was a slasher, which looks a lot like the weapon that they think did for Richard III. I would hesitate to walk down the street with it slung over my shoulder in a modern city.
 
A bit of sympathy for police. They are the ones who attend stabbing events where a nutter goes mad with a knife or gun. The law then was introduced to make it illegal to carry this kind of weapon. Fair enough. Despite anti homophobic laws racial discrimination laws, age discrimination etc a police man must use what they call "Profiling" ie does this person look like he is likely to carry a weapon or become dangerous to police or the public. The profiling is inevitable but very contrary to our concepts of freedom of personal expression (clothing make up etc).
However the young males and alternative life style type people may become inadvertent victims of profiling. I think they just have to accept that fact given the number of baddies out there. I guess a young male just has to be careful to avoid any impression that he might be a baddy. This guy did leave himself open to doubt wearing camouflage trousers and wearing/ carrying tools which might be seen as weapons. He will just have to be smarter in future. As should we all.
Now a story of a few months back A major super market chain came up with a promotional, free kitchen knives after collecting points based on expenditure. The knives were available in a range from small peeling knives to large carving knife. (also some excellent scissors)
The knives were on display in hundreds of stores. But in one a yoof grabbed the largest knife removed it from packaging and threatened staff. Needless to say the knives were removed nation wide immediately. Pity they were really good knives. But could be lethal.
I occasionally carry on foot an evil looking diving knife through a park down to my boat. I wonder if someone might get worried. Even though I do not fit the "profile" at 79yo. However on examination they might be disappointed to find the pointy tip cut off to a 1 inch wide chisel end. Just right for barnacles.
ol'will
 
Call it profiling if you like, but I'd regard a bloke in makeup as likely to be less dangerous than a skinhead in bovver boots. All the same, if he's got a knife in a sheath, were I a copper, I'd be VERY leery, but he'd be coming in to answer a few questions. That thing may be called a weeding trowel but, well sharpened, it's just as capable of filleting someone as a "real" knife, so chummy has some explaining to do.

He was foolish to carry it on his belt - and even more foolish to accept a caution without legal advice. There may not be any punishment involved, but he now has a criminal record.
 
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