Neeves
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To think if you travel about wearing red, pink or yellow trousers, carrying a Tesco bag, a big shifter, battery angle grinder and bolt croppers, you will not be noticeable.
Jonathan
Jonathan
Carrying your knife to the boat
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xyachtdave
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To be fair to that trowel when gardening in Japan there’s the chance of encountering something a little more dangerous than an earthworm.
KevinV
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Having googled the tools only a complete twit would think you would be sensible or legal walking down the street with them. Being sheathed is irrelevant. The "trowel" particularly is just a knife, whatever the seller calls it.
I'm more interested that they dragged him off his own property, where (my understanding is) they would be perfectly legal.
I'm more interested that they dragged him off his own property, where (my understanding is) they would be perfectly legal.
penberth3
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Absolutely, as usual the initial outrage is misplaced. These are not bog-standard gardening tools and do look like 'offensive weapons'.
chriss999
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He says:
‘Rowe said he was interviewed without legal representation as officers had been unable to reach a solicitor, and after spending several hours in custody he said he accepted a caution so he would be released.’
Surely the police can’t question him unless he has legal representation.
From gov.uk:
You must be told about your right to free legal advice after you’re arrested and before you’re questioned at a police station … Once you’ve asked for legal advice, the police cannot question you until you’ve got it – with some exceptions.
‘Rowe said he was interviewed without legal representation as officers had been unable to reach a solicitor, and after spending several hours in custody he said he accepted a caution so he would be released.’
Surely the police can’t question him unless he has legal representation.
From gov.uk:
You must be told about your right to free legal advice after you’re arrested and before you’re questioned at a police station … Once you’ve asked for legal advice, the police cannot question you until you’ve got it – with some exceptions.
KevinV
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"We're struggling to find a solicitor for you, it could take hours.... can we just ask you a few questions in the meantime?"
The guy just wants to go home, so he agrees
ylop
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1. They can ask - but your answers will probably not be admissible in court without having the chance to consult a solicitor
2. If you ask to speak to a solicitor, you have to wait till they are available. If you are impatient, you might decide to waive your right to legal advice and talk anyway.
3. Legal aid budgets are continually squeezed so duty solicitors are poorly paid and overworked - "that's ok because law-abiding citizens never need them" is the unspoken thought process... until the cops arrest you in your own garden and pressure you to accept a caution - if we are to believe the suggestion of the article.
rogerthebodger
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I carry a complete set of tools in the back of my 4x4 when I visit my boat 800Km away from home.
The tools include lots of sharp tools and knives (box cutters) and never been accosted by the police for carrying dangerous tools/knives. They just check for driving and road fund licenses
The tools include lots of sharp tools and knives (box cutters) and never been accosted by the police for carrying dangerous tools/knives. They just check for driving and road fund licenses
shanemax
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With regard to the average copper, you can train and educate a fool but you can never show him how to think for himself.
Buck Turgidson
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I frequently drive with a rifle in the boot of my car.
Of course I happen to have moved to a rather more civilised country.
There is a distinct difference between transporting and carrying in the law here. You will frequently see people transporting their weapons by foot, bicycle, bus and train.
Of course I happen to have moved to a rather more civilised country.
There is a distinct difference between transporting and carrying in the law here. You will frequently see people transporting their weapons by foot, bicycle, bus and train.
st599
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The report says they pushed him up against his house, it doesn't say he was on his property at the time. Could be a terrace.
And a recent law change gives the police the right to seize knives on private property.
ylop
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Only certain types of knife (which I don’t thing these were).
Bouba
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Seizing knives on private property gives the police the right to enter every kitchen in the land
st599
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At the moment, but the current bill going through parliament extends it to all knives and adds a requirement for every knife sale to require ID and be reported.
[70521]
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Yes you will, especially after pub closing hours.
[70521]
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The press are notoriously poor at reporting facts.
A certain family member attended a 'riot' according to the local rag. The family member was telling us what actually happened the following weekend and said it was a couple of pissed rugby teams staggering out of a pub well after the match had finished. Several of the team members dropped their trousers.
KompetentKrew
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He could have easily just put them in a bag to carry them home but preferred them in sheathes on his military-style belt, presumably for fashion reasons.
Bloke is obviously a bit of a plonker, evidenced by his preference for mascara and nail polish. The plod asked him if he's autistic.
As we might expect, plod took advantage of his naivety - he let them interview him without the duty solicitor and he accepted a caution because he was "trying to ingratiate himself" with the cops and "because I felt like my future was in their hands, basically".
Rum Run
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His future was in their hands and they dropped it. Probably should have phoned his Mum for advice the plum!
Momac
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The police in that case sound like complete idiots.
Sandydog2
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I first saw one of those Hori Hori trowels a couple of years ago. It was being used to cut turf to plant bulbs in a public garden. The woman using it worked for a bulb supplier, designing planting schemes for prestigious gardens. I was surprised that several other gardeners there said they had one. She certainly had it in a belt holster to keep it safe. They are supplied with one. Very fashionable at the moment, you can buy them at the Chelsea flower show. Monty Don uses one.
I accidentally left my empty secateurs holder on my belt and went to fuel up my car a few months ago. The lad at the checkout saw it and asked me if I was wearing a handgun ! I had to explain what secateurs were as he hadn’t heard the word. I think he was a bit disappointed.
I accidentally left my empty secateurs holder on my belt and went to fuel up my car a few months ago. The lad at the checkout saw it and asked me if I was wearing a handgun ! I had to explain what secateurs were as he hadn’t heard the word. I think he was a bit disappointed.