Capsize off Start Point

[CliveSmith]

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Skiver, I don't know you [thankfully] but you're exhibiting the traits of somebody who epitomises everything that is wrong in this country. No regard for others, just an obsession with self, self, self. [Are you by any chance related to that Goody woman, or the Beckhams?]

However, should I pass you as your boat has capsized, I won't ignore you, tempting though it may be, even though I don't know you I'll rescue you, but don't expect me to be gentle.

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For someone who doesn't know me you seem to want to know quite a bit about me.

This, coupled with your offer of rough treatment for male strangers makes me wonder if you'd be better off searching for more specialised formus than a sailing one.

Oh, and I'll pass on your rescue offer if ever our paths cross.

 

[Birdseye]

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Skiver, I don't know you [thankfully] but you're exhibiting the traits of somebody who epitomises everything that is wrong in this country. No regard for others, just an obsession with self, self, self. [Are you by any chance related to that Goody woman, or the Beckhams?]

However, should I pass you as your boat has capsized, I won't ignore you, tempting though it may be, even though I don't know you I'll rescue you, but don't expect me to be gentle.

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This post is an offensive over reaction to a reasonable enquiry by skiver. Whatever your personal involvement in this affair, it doesnt excuse just the sort of behaviour we saw from Goody. Grow up

 

[jonjo]

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Skiver... but you're exhibiting the traits of somebody who epitomises everything that is wrong in this country.

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Really? A lot of questionable extrapolations there PTG1.

If I were ever on the receiving end of such tragic news the last thing I would want is a stream of sympathies expressed by total strangers. I would however want to know why, speculation here at YBW.com is likely to be more informative than the gibberish regular news organizations dig up on breaking maritime stories.

Over the last few days some UK war widows have expressed opinions in this area, the common theme is they want details and not platitudes.

I deleted my first post because someone with personal ties to the crew asked us to stop and not because of the civil conduct rule book at Planet Brendan.

 

[thailand69]

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and not because of the civil conduct rule book at Planet Brendan.


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Of course as the CG said none of the missing containers are in the area it must be true. Cos' they KNOW where they all are. No point asking awkward questions here.

I have no reason to doubt that the keel falling off was anyone's fault. After all "acts of god" happen to me all the time.

I would suggest that the thread view counter alone indicates that there is interest in WTF happened - although probably half of them are from lazy journo's trying to find out what a boat is...........

FWIW I think it is quite remarkable that 4 folk survived this event and a tribute to the fact that they were as well prepared / equipped as anyone could be to cope with something as dramatic and sudden as this.

Obviously I am saddened that someone died participating in the same activity as me, but not being a Diana fan I am not someone who somehow thinks it is "normal" behaviour to record my "grief" about strangers with other strangers, can't some things STILL be accepted as a given???.........I await the first Youtube of someone standing out in the backgarden self flagellating............but in the meantime I will put up with the "usual" responses from "Offended of Tunbridge Wells".............

 

[Sailfree]

I posted on another thread but have taken part and posted on this thread as hopefully it will make people consider respect for those involved but still enable a constructive discussion.

"Firstly can I add my comment that I think you are correct in starting threads about this tragic incident albeit at this stage they must be mostly speculation.

This is a tragic event and my sympathy goes out to those involved and their families.

Incidents like this do unfortunately occur and there seems to be 2 options a) say nothing until the full findings are published or b) start discussion threads like this. It is implied by some that to do a) is to be disrespectful to those involved.

I believe that nearly all that posters on here can identify with the event and probably feel " There but for the grace of god go I". People that share a love of sailing would never intend to be disrespectful but unfortunately out of tragic events such as these lessons are learned.

On balance providing these threads are respectful and don't try attribute blame without full knowledge of the facts they can be informative, raise all sorts of issues, including many that were not relevant to the actual event but due to the dissemination of so much speculation and knowledge the threads raises others awareness of many issues and could possibly prevent other incidents and ultimately save lives.

To await the outcome of the official investigation would delay things by probably 2 years and result in only the actual cause being discussed when often the comments about possible causes can be just as informative.

The recent sad case of the boat missing off the I of W has made me far more concious of the need for a stern watch when doing a x channel at night and to frequently check that my navigation lights are working (I once arrived at Guernsey to find my tricolour completely missing)".

 

[sailorman]

Stunning Photo

 

[PTG1]

Not sure how you find a 'reasonable enquiry' anywhere in Skiver's original post...more a rant to people to refrain from posting messages of sympathy [or 'mewlings' in his words]. However, in view of his [??] comments in his follow-up post obviously nobody could take him seriously so I'll let him crawl back under his stone from whence he came.

 

[boomerangben]

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5 pages of rants saying this thread should/shouldn't exist/content appropriate/inappropriate. These threads are always dominated by soap boxers on moral high ground. Both sides have valid points. But lets not forget that we go sailing in the knowledge that one day we might not come back. Yes, we all have our own attitudes to the hazards of sailing and temper our approach accordingly. But no-one should take a safe return as gospel.

The MAIB will hopefully establish the mode of failure and lessons will be there to be learnt. In the mean time photos like the one posted by sailorman are useful to those who might want to re-assess their approach to improve their odds. That is the true value of these threads.

 

[Whitelighter]

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Horrible photo - send a shiver right through me. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[AIDY]

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me too makes you think....

 

[Clive_Rigden]

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http://www.rsyc.org.uk/club/clubhooligan.htm

 

[thailand69]

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Unless she hit something, it is probable that any "issues" that relate to this type of vessel do not relate to most "cruising" type boats...........(Although a Max Fun 35. NOT the actual vessel)

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